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hello and welcome to the show i'm martin

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willis your host

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and we have an interesting guest going

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to be

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talking tonight about a incredible

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sighting that

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he and his family had out on the west

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coast in

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washington state on bainbridge island

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that happened back in july 5th

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2019 and we'll be talking all about that

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and

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some other things we're going to be

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moving along as we go

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i did want to talk about the um

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the thing that's in the news right now

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is

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the blue uh ufo over hawaii a lot of

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people have been contacting me

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um a lot of friends that actually know

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that i

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uh i am involved in the ufo field have

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been contacting me

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that do not normally um you know

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question

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ufos or even pay attention to them but

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anyway i'm going to show this clip this

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is

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abc 7 news out of hawaii it's a real

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quick

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something like that

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so it'll give you an idea what we're

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talking about with this blue uh ufo

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and uh if you're listening to just the

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audio unfortunately um all you have to

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do is uh well actually i'll put a

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i'll put a link in the show notes how's

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that so you can actually watch the video

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here it goes

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officials from the federal aviation

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administration say there were no

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aircraft incidents

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or accidents in this area tuesday night

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but multiple

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witnesses report seeing a large blue

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object fall out of the sky

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and into the ocean something is in the

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sky

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what is that this video was taken by

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misitina sape at 8

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26 tuesday night near haleakala avenue

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in nanakuli

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not long after a woman named mariah

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spotted the same thing

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and then i was like oh she was all in

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the garage i was like hey so look up

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there she doesn't

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see what i see they all said yeah the 38

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year old says she's never really been a

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believer in ufos

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but the bright blue object had them so

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intrigued they jumped in the car and

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started following it

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okay this is what now i

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i saw a tweet from alejandro rojas my

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friend

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um on um kind of a theory it's a working

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theory

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of course this thing did end up in the

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drink it actually went into the water

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and if you were

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hang gliding um you wouldn't really want

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to

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land in the middle of the ocean i

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wouldn't think but anyway

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that's uh this you see this picture

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again i'll put this in the show notes as

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it could be what we're looking at in

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that video whatever

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and now that has gone totally viral um

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around the world so

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um again it could be the answer i'm not

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sure

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um but uh but there you go that's uh

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that is a

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working theory at this point it's always

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good to get

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an answer if possible on what a ufo is

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because it's as it's been said many

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times it only takes one real one

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to uh you know that can be proven

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wherever it's from uh anyway it just

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takes one

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and uh there as uh a lot of people know

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that pay attention to this topic there's

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something like at least ten percent that

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are unexplained

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which uh is fascinating and uh

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and the reason that the movie title of

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what uh

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james fox did um the phenomenon that

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movie was originally titled 701

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which was the 701 ufo sightings

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that could not be explained in project

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blue book during their tenure so i want

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to say happy

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uh happy uh 2021 everyone we made it

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uh we actually made it so hang in there

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hope everyone stays safe

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and as we continue on i do think things

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now um if you head on over to podcast

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falcon lake

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incident and uh several others that are

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really interesting

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one of them i've never heard of a woman

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you know driving in a car

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and a beam coming down and like burning

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her

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arm or something really strange so uh

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uh i'm hoping hoping i can say his name

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correctly nabosa borkovich

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um he will be talking about a encounter

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out at sea

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another fascinating uh show that should

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be and uh

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there's a heck of a lot to that one but

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there's also a heck of a lot to the one

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we're going to be talking about tonight

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and my guest

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tim senor welcome to the show happy new

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year martin

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yes yeah thank you for being willing to

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come on

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and uh you you had quite a sighting

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but before we get into that just a quick

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um a quick background about yourself you

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have a background in psychology and a

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writer why don't you just

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fill in the blanks a little bit

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absolutely so

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um i was actually born david powers

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in 1970 in upstate new york in rochester

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and so um i do use david powers

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quite often and in other interviews i've

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used david powers just to kind of

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clarify

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so that people understand i'm tim senor

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and i'm david powers so don't be

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confused if you see something done by me

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um and then um

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my parents adopted me um and

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my father worked for xerox

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um so being in rochester new york in the

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you are definitely going to

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be either working for kodak or xerox

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and so my dad worked for xerox and my

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mother

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so he had his phd in chemistry and work

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in polymer technology which is an

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advanced science in rubber science and

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static conductivity my mother

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she has her master's degree in natural

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numerous schools uh taught science and

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my background is in psychology and then

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i went on to get an undergraduate degree

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that is what i do now i write and

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produce and

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also being a coveted person

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uh working from home and raising

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five kids all the same time so i know

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how noisy that can be

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yeah zooming wings for school waiting

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for me a lot of online

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business being done nowadays so uh

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my parents moved from upstate new york

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rochester to

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uh bainbridge island uh washington

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which is directly across the puget sound

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from seattle

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and so uh they moved there

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my sister a couple years older than me

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and became a general's aide moved up

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quite quickly in the ranks she's also

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got her master's degree in science and

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so moving on a little bit

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this day in particular and i'm not sure

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if you're ready to move into the

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oh yeah let's let's go right into it it

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was uh

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yeah yeah i'm ready so we're ready here

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right um

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so july 5th was uh

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2019 was a day that we all decided to be

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and so uh we had a large breakfast

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decided and myself decided to go down to

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a beach on bainbridge island called

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because the tides were the lowest that

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bainbridge island there and i have put a

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little black dot

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kind of where rockaway beach is um

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gone down to the beach ahead of time and

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the three of us had stayed back

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to get the house kind of ready for

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lunch and for early dinner we usually

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nearing two o'clock i decided that

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i would drive down since

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the whole family was down there i

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decided i would go down and join them

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uh at which point i parked in a little

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parking area there

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and ventured down towards the beach

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along a little path

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so i'll just kind of set up the scenario

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my parents

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are seated to my right up on

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the top of the beach kind of on a bench

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and looking out towards seattle western

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seattle across the puget sound

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so i was walking towards them and

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looking slightly left towards the water

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my family which was consisting at that

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time

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of let's see it was

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my sister and her husband

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my second oldest son and my two youngest

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oldest and two younger

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daughters so

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quite a group of people all venturing up

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towards me

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on the beach um i'm walking towards my

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mom and

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she stands up kind of peering off in the

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distance and points up

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kind of over my shoulder uh towards

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central seattle kind of in the air and

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says did you hear that

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and i said no

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uh what are you looking at or something

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to that extent and kind of was focused

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my two little children that were trying

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venture their way up the beach it's

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rocky beach so

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they were all really having to look down

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quite a lot

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uh walking up that rocky beach anyway so

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i my concern was with them and

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and kind of how they were doing um

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getting at the beach so

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as i'm doing that i kind of look up

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towards my mom had pointed

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and at the time that i took that look up

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my sister's oldest pointed in that

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direction and said

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oh look a saucer and kind of like had

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this look on his face tonight because i

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was looking at him

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i was like what is he talking about a

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saucer and i looked up

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and there did look like there was just

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something sitting

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in the sky um a disc shape

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and gray um

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i was like that's that's odd and i

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suddenly realized i'd love to take a

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picture of this but i don't have my

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phone

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so i ran uh back up to the parking lot

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where my truck was parked

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and grabbed my cell phone and booked

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back down there

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um my mom was still standing and looking

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in that direction

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at this point some of my family i think

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was looking up there

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if not all of them at that point um

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the object was still in the same

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location so i lifted my phone and fired

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off

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a photograph um i decided to go at the

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time with hd photos because i knew that

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my

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iphone 10 performed a little bit better

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with hd photos than with video um if i

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was gonna

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potentially take a look at this later so

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um i was excited because i didn't know

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what i was looking at

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um although at the same rate i did think

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potentially it was just

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jets or maybe like some kind of jet that

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can hover

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and also break the sound barrier since

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my mom had noticed a sound

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um that i had not noticed

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by the way but pardon me what did you um

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you said this

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were you right there but you just didn't

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happen to notice the sound or

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it happened earlier i was right there

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but did not notice

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um because she brought that sound to my

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attention

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initially um there's you know there's

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ocean noise

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there's only noise and my attention was

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definitely not in the sky

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at the time coming down i was totally on

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my four

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and three-year-old children um

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so yeah i hadn't noticed that initial

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sound

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that my mother had noticed um

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so moving on with that from there

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i had taken that first photograph

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which um

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clearly shows what we were looking at

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is this one of the ones that you sent me

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i did

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i sent you all the photos but in

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particular the last two have close-ups

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and so i i is this it right here nope

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the one before that

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okay yep all right so again we'll we

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will put these in the show notes for

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those of you who are listening to audio

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you can check that out um so what are we

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looking at right there what do you think

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we're looking at

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assumed uh or rather you know zoomed and

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then cropped with my iphone

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is what that photo is so i zoom in and

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then crop it yeah

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in my opinion that that does it pretty

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well

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justice now i don't know if you've ever

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tried to take a picture of a

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an airplane but it's pretty tough

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um yeah and so my photos don't really do

381
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my story as much justice but

382
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they're still great photos considering

383
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what took place

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and as we move forward i'll give you

385
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guys as much detail as i can

386
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and i will be completely open with you

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guys on

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anything any questions any details i can

389
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add i would love

390
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to because it's it's a pretty

391
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big deal it changed all of our lives

392
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anyways let's move on

393
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because this story gets better um

394
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as i was watching it just kind of seemed

395
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to

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disappear and then immediately reappear

397
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very close by so

398
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disappear reappear and at that time i

399
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noticed

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about 100 meters maybe

401
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below a spark just a little spark

402
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at which point i'm taking more photos

403
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so that correlates with the second photo

404
00:17:07,110 --> 00:17:06,079
that you have but the photos you have

405
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are all the originals

406
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as well so those are wide shots

407
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and so you can make them available to

408
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whoever would like them

409
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like this right here yeah that's gonna

410
00:17:19,909 --> 00:17:17,439
be further on we're not there yet

411
00:17:21,750 --> 00:17:19,919
the very top of the line is going to be

412
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some of the earlier photos but anyways

413
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we'll get to that um so

414
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that little spark ended up being

415
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important to the story

416
00:17:37,750 --> 00:17:35,120
uh anyway so i fired off that second

417
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photograph and as i'm firing off that

418
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second photograph

419
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my dad over my right shoulder who is

420
00:17:47,029 --> 00:17:44,000
still seated

421
00:17:51,190 --> 00:17:47,039
says well what's that down there

422
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and he was pointing further down

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seattle almost to the western point

424
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of seattle

425
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at which point i kind of just dragged my

426
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camera across

427
00:18:04,950 --> 00:18:04,400
and started firing photos in the

428
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direction

429
00:18:08,470 --> 00:18:07,679
my dad was pointing at which point i

430
00:18:11,110 --> 00:18:08,480
could clearly

431
00:18:11,750 --> 00:18:11,120
make out a series of objects kind of

432
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moving

433
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and so the important thing to

434
00:18:18,950 --> 00:18:17,679
take away from this was how these things

435
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were moving

436
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like pop across

437
00:18:34,710 --> 00:18:32,080
um it's it's really hard to explain

438
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how they were coordinating anyways at

439
00:18:38,630 --> 00:18:35,840
that point

440
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um what my father had noticed was a

441
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bright light

442
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at it

443
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kind of opened up into a perfect square

444
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in the sky and just

445
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above that little

446
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square in the sky there was a little

447
00:19:03,430 --> 00:19:00,320
thread of light

448
00:19:04,950 --> 00:19:03,440
attached to it in the corner and at the

449
00:19:08,630 --> 00:19:04,960
end of that thread of light

450
00:19:12,230 --> 00:19:08,640
was a little cigar-shaped object

451
00:19:14,549 --> 00:19:12,240
or tac shaped object so

452
00:19:16,950 --> 00:19:14,559
i'm taking a photograph and trying to

453
00:19:19,190 --> 00:19:16,960
look at what i'm seeing and i'm like oh

454
00:19:20,310 --> 00:19:19,200
this has to be a helicopter this has to

455
00:19:23,350 --> 00:19:20,320
be

456
00:19:25,830 --> 00:19:23,360
an airplane pulling a sign this has to

457
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be some kind of reflection

458
00:19:32,230 --> 00:19:29,120
um it was so

459
00:19:33,909 --> 00:19:32,240
odd to see um because

460
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as you're as i was looking at this

461
00:19:36,549 --> 00:19:35,840
square it appeared to almost be three

462
00:19:41,669 --> 00:19:36,559
dimensional

463
00:19:50,390 --> 00:19:45,270
and at which point the

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00:19:53,270 --> 00:19:50,400
saucer disappeared and then reappeared

465
00:19:54,310 --> 00:19:53,280
perhaps on the other side of the box and

466
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so

467
00:20:00,710 --> 00:19:57,679
in or out

468
00:20:05,590 --> 00:20:00,720
of that square

469
00:20:07,830 --> 00:20:05,600
um and there were other details that

470
00:20:09,510 --> 00:20:07,840
i did see it's just hard to put them

471
00:20:13,110 --> 00:20:09,520
into words

472
00:20:15,110 --> 00:20:13,120
um but moving on with the sighting um

473
00:20:16,549 --> 00:20:15,120
we can always go back so i'll just get

474
00:20:21,669 --> 00:20:16,559
through it initially and then

475
00:20:23,510 --> 00:20:21,679
we can rewind and so

476
00:20:25,669 --> 00:20:23,520
that was daunting i didn't know what i

477
00:20:25,990 --> 00:20:25,679
was looking at so i just continued to

478
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take

479
00:20:32,630 --> 00:20:29,360
photos at the next

480
00:20:35,830 --> 00:20:32,640
photo that uh i shared with you

481
00:20:38,310 --> 00:20:35,840
shows what happened next and

482
00:20:39,430 --> 00:20:38,320
it's in i i understand your viewers are

483
00:20:42,470 --> 00:20:39,440
going to really look at me

484
00:20:45,669 --> 00:20:42,480
in in a way thinking that i'm nuts

485
00:20:47,270 --> 00:20:45,679
because to see something like this and

486
00:20:48,310 --> 00:20:47,280
photograph it

487
00:20:49,909 --> 00:20:48,320
you're like okay this guy's

488
00:20:51,830 --> 00:20:49,919
photographing military stuff or

489
00:20:55,669 --> 00:20:51,840
something

490
00:21:00,390 --> 00:20:55,679
normal but this was odd

491
00:21:03,590 --> 00:21:00,400
so the square seemed to recoil

492
00:21:06,870 --> 00:21:03,600
kind of slowly

493
00:21:10,470 --> 00:21:06,880
um like like if you were reeling a net

494
00:21:11,110 --> 00:21:10,480
in but it was so bright it was as bright

495
00:21:15,029 --> 00:21:11,120
as the sun

496
00:21:18,149 --> 00:21:15,039
and in fact my my camera had a hard time

497
00:21:21,190 --> 00:21:18,159
interpreting that light

498
00:21:21,830 --> 00:21:21,200
um and it was very it was incredible to

499
00:21:24,710 --> 00:21:21,840
watch

500
00:21:26,470 --> 00:21:24,720
because it looked like a star closing

501
00:21:28,470 --> 00:21:26,480
like a star

502
00:21:29,990 --> 00:21:28,480
going away and i was like okay this

503
00:21:32,789 --> 00:21:30,000
could be like a plane

504
00:21:33,590 --> 00:21:32,799
turning at me am i seeing headlights i

505
00:21:37,270 --> 00:21:33,600
was running through

506
00:21:39,830 --> 00:21:37,280
the whole gamut but what clearly

507
00:21:41,110 --> 00:21:39,840
happened was it appeared that that

508
00:21:43,350 --> 00:21:41,120
square

509
00:21:45,430 --> 00:21:43,360
retracted back up into that little

510
00:21:49,029 --> 00:21:45,440
cigar-shaped

511
00:21:52,149 --> 00:21:49,039
tic tac object and then

512
00:21:56,789 --> 00:21:52,159
in my subsequent photos they

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00:22:02,870 --> 00:21:59,990
in in a group um in the same fashion

514
00:22:04,070 --> 00:22:02,880
that they had and and what and at this

515
00:22:06,310 --> 00:22:04,080
point are they not

516
00:22:08,549 --> 00:22:06,320
like popping in and out of existence

517
00:22:10,950 --> 00:22:08,559
they're just on a city

518
00:22:13,190 --> 00:22:10,960
living the same way like shuddering um

519
00:22:15,430 --> 00:22:13,200
like the little white speck that i had

520
00:22:18,549 --> 00:22:15,440
seen initially as a flash

521
00:22:19,110 --> 00:22:18,559
was darting around and seeing to like be

522
00:22:22,230 --> 00:22:19,120
on top

523
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and then below and then um

524
00:22:29,669 --> 00:22:26,159
moving in very odd like like a fly

525
00:22:32,950 --> 00:22:29,679
or a bee around a flower

526
00:22:36,630 --> 00:22:32,960
except this was way up

527
00:22:39,830 --> 00:22:36,640
in the sky and indescribable

528
00:22:41,990 --> 00:22:39,840
if i hadn't had the photos i would have

529
00:22:46,230 --> 00:22:42,000
just crossed it off

530
00:22:49,750 --> 00:22:46,240
if i didn't see it firsthand i wouldn't

531
00:22:51,909 --> 00:22:49,760
believe it's potentially real

532
00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:51,919
and you know martin i and i've said this

533
00:22:57,590 --> 00:22:53,520
before

534
00:23:00,710 --> 00:22:57,600
even witnessing it i don't

535
00:23:03,830 --> 00:23:00,720
believe it i don't believe it

536
00:23:07,190 --> 00:23:03,840
my mom has an incredible recollection

537
00:23:10,789 --> 00:23:07,200
but for some reason she has a hard time

538
00:23:14,310 --> 00:23:13,350
this was not something that anyone in my

539
00:23:17,830 --> 00:23:14,320
family

540
00:23:22,149 --> 00:23:17,840
had ever thought about before other than

541
00:23:24,630 --> 00:23:22,159
entertainment and so

542
00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:24,640
it was a new understanding a new way of

543
00:23:30,149 --> 00:23:25,679
thinking so

544
00:23:31,669 --> 00:23:30,159
i was fresh on it i i was

545
00:23:34,149 --> 00:23:31,679
and i'm not doing the story justice and

546
00:23:37,270 --> 00:23:34,159
i would love to go back and tell it

547
00:23:39,830 --> 00:23:37,280
again for you because there

548
00:23:40,310 --> 00:23:39,840
are so many little details that i know i

549
00:23:42,870 --> 00:23:40,320
saw

550
00:23:44,310 --> 00:23:42,880
that i'm not really recalling perfectly

551
00:23:47,590 --> 00:23:44,320
for you right now

552
00:23:48,789 --> 00:23:47,600
however um the big takeaway was that

553
00:23:51,190 --> 00:23:48,799
this was a tic tac

554
00:23:52,470 --> 00:23:51,200
coordinating with objects and

555
00:23:55,029 --> 00:23:52,480
potentially

556
00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:55,039
we're looking at what that technology

557
00:24:00,070 --> 00:23:57,120
does

558
00:24:00,710 --> 00:24:00,080
this is just a little comment here for

559
00:24:03,269 --> 00:24:00,720
someone

560
00:24:04,470 --> 00:24:03,279
that wants you to feel more comfortable

561
00:24:06,870 --> 00:24:04,480
you're not nuts tim

562
00:24:08,470 --> 00:24:06,880
you're amongst your fellow ufo community

563
00:24:09,590 --> 00:24:08,480
i don't care martin willis playing the

564
00:24:12,549 --> 00:24:09,600
x-files theme

565
00:24:13,990 --> 00:24:12,559
song to ridicule you like the news does

566
00:24:16,149 --> 00:24:14,000
i thought it was a pretty funny

567
00:24:17,430 --> 00:24:16,159
pretty good comment yeah the problem

568
00:24:20,470 --> 00:24:17,440
isn't with you renee

569
00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:20,480
or any of your listeners martin it's

570
00:24:25,990 --> 00:24:23,520
with the science community

571
00:24:27,990 --> 00:24:26,000
that doesn't take this seriously or

572
00:24:31,110 --> 00:24:28,000
potentially people i work with

573
00:24:33,110 --> 00:24:31,120
because before i mean this day um

574
00:24:34,870 --> 00:24:33,120
you know i had never planned on coming

575
00:24:36,710 --> 00:24:34,880
out with something like this this isn't

576
00:24:40,149 --> 00:24:36,720
something i'm comfortable

577
00:24:43,350 --> 00:24:40,159
talking about it's not something

578
00:24:46,149 --> 00:24:43,360
i even really believe

579
00:24:46,549 --> 00:24:46,159
but you know what yeah it's starting to

580
00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:46,559
look

581
00:24:50,390 --> 00:24:49,039
undeniable especially witnessing it i

582
00:24:53,110 --> 00:24:50,400
mean

583
00:24:55,750 --> 00:24:53,120
witnessing it was incredible to see

584
00:24:58,310 --> 00:24:55,760
something move like that across the sky

585
00:25:00,789 --> 00:24:58,320
is indescribable when you know with your

586
00:25:04,470 --> 00:25:00,799
family you witness something move

587
00:25:08,870 --> 00:25:04,480
uh a very large distance

588
00:25:11,909 --> 00:25:08,880
in no time at all now

589
00:25:15,029 --> 00:25:11,919
incredible feats now you mentioned

590
00:25:16,630 --> 00:25:15,039
your father has a phd in chemistry um so

591
00:25:18,230 --> 00:25:16,640
does my uh brother-in-law who

592
00:25:19,830 --> 00:25:18,240
may actually be listening right now out

593
00:25:20,470 --> 00:25:19,840
in washington he's actually in

594
00:25:23,029 --> 00:25:20,480
washington

595
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:23,039
what it's all about um but let me just

596
00:25:27,269 --> 00:25:24,240
ask you this

597
00:25:27,990 --> 00:25:27,279
did uh someone with a science background

598
00:25:30,870 --> 00:25:28,000
like your dad

599
00:25:32,149 --> 00:25:30,880
what was he what was his conjecture of

600
00:25:35,669 --> 00:25:32,159
what he was seeing

601
00:25:37,990 --> 00:25:35,679
right so we got back to the house

602
00:25:39,110 --> 00:25:38,000
and started putting some numbers down

603
00:25:42,310 --> 00:25:39,120
and we looked at the map

604
00:25:45,430 --> 00:25:42,320
figured out about how far

605
00:25:46,310 --> 00:25:45,440
it was about how high it was figuring

606
00:25:52,390 --> 00:25:46,320
out some just

607
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:55,110
ridiculous to say out loud ridiculous to

608
00:25:57,510 --> 00:25:55,440
say

609
00:25:59,190 --> 00:25:57,520
out loud speeds and my father's

610
00:26:01,110 --> 00:25:59,200
interpretation was that it was

611
00:26:04,950 --> 00:26:01,120
incredible

612
00:26:07,269 --> 00:26:04,960
um but at the same rate

613
00:26:08,070 --> 00:26:07,279
he felt strongly that it was something

614
00:26:10,870 --> 00:26:08,080
that

615
00:26:12,870 --> 00:26:10,880
could potentially be ours and this is

616
00:26:16,470 --> 00:26:12,880
where the story moves to its next

617
00:26:19,190 --> 00:26:16,480
phase of incredible because

618
00:26:20,070 --> 00:26:19,200
we witnessed it and did a lot of

619
00:26:23,430 --> 00:26:20,080
thinking

620
00:26:25,750 --> 00:26:23,440
and decided if it is something military

621
00:26:27,190 --> 00:26:25,760
that's great we have something that is

622
00:26:30,149 --> 00:26:27,200
incredible

623
00:26:31,909 --> 00:26:30,159
let's not talk about it let's report it

624
00:26:33,190 --> 00:26:31,919
to the right agency let them determine

625
00:26:35,830 --> 00:26:33,200
what it is

626
00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:35,840
and that's exactly what i did i

627
00:26:41,269 --> 00:26:37,200
immediately reported to

628
00:26:46,149 --> 00:26:41,279
mufon and they responded back

629
00:26:49,750 --> 00:26:46,159
and i gave details

630
00:26:53,830 --> 00:26:49,760
they took time to research it

631
00:26:56,630 --> 00:26:53,840
they have an interesting way of doing

632
00:26:57,590 --> 00:26:56,640
business and that is that they need to

633
00:26:59,269 --> 00:26:57,600
close cases

634
00:27:01,830 --> 00:26:59,279
um the way you move up in ranks and

635
00:27:06,149 --> 00:27:01,840
mufon is by closing cases

636
00:27:08,070 --> 00:27:06,159
they're out to close cases and

637
00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:08,080
they weren't able to close my case my

638
00:27:12,630 --> 00:27:09,840
case is still open which is

639
00:27:14,549 --> 00:27:12,640
great because they determined of course

640
00:27:17,190 --> 00:27:14,559
my photos aren't tampered with

641
00:27:18,389 --> 00:27:17,200
the evidence is real and it's within the

642
00:27:21,590 --> 00:27:18,399
five percent

643
00:27:23,350 --> 00:27:21,600
of cases that they can't close and it's

644
00:27:25,029 --> 00:27:23,360
considered a uap

645
00:27:26,710 --> 00:27:25,039
wow so i didn't realize that was the

646
00:27:29,830 --> 00:27:26,720
number 5

647
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:29,840
5 and that so um

648
00:27:34,950 --> 00:27:33,120
initially i i was frustrated

649
00:27:38,549 --> 00:27:34,960
by that because i was like well you've

650
00:27:40,870 --> 00:27:38,559
given me great information on something

651
00:27:42,230 --> 00:27:40,880
that i felt i already knew um and i was

652
00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:42,240
looking for more

653
00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:46,320
what next and um there was really no one

654
00:27:49,269 --> 00:27:47,520
next they don't really

655
00:27:50,870 --> 00:27:49,279
walk you through it and so for someone

656
00:27:55,029 --> 00:27:50,880
new to

657
00:27:55,510 --> 00:27:55,039
the topic um yeah it was a pretty cold

658
00:27:58,470 --> 00:27:55,520
realm

659
00:27:59,110 --> 00:27:58,480
and and i didn't get a lot of support i

660
00:28:02,870 --> 00:27:59,120
guess

661
00:28:04,549 --> 00:28:02,880
yeah and so in retrospect there were

662
00:28:07,190 --> 00:28:04,559
things i could have done differently

663
00:28:08,710 --> 00:28:07,200
i could have reported it to the police i

664
00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:08,720
could well that would get

665
00:28:13,110 --> 00:28:11,520
more agencies well that's what i did

666
00:28:15,029 --> 00:28:13,120
with my ufo sighting

667
00:28:16,310 --> 00:28:15,039
what was yours and it got me absolutely

668
00:28:19,190 --> 00:28:16,320
nowhere

669
00:28:20,230 --> 00:28:19,200
yeah you're exciting too i had a ufo

670
00:28:22,870 --> 00:28:20,240
sighting but it was

671
00:28:24,630 --> 00:28:22,880
nothing like what you had i saw a disc

672
00:28:27,430 --> 00:28:24,640
basically fly over me

673
00:28:28,549 --> 00:28:27,440
and stop and then go off on an angle

674
00:28:31,750 --> 00:28:28,559
toward monterey and

675
00:28:32,950 --> 00:28:31,760
and i called the uh wow uh the police

676
00:28:35,830 --> 00:28:32,960
department there

677
00:28:36,470 --> 00:28:35,840
and they put me on hold for 15 minutes

678
00:28:37,830 --> 00:28:36,480
and

679
00:28:39,750 --> 00:28:37,840
was very excited the woman was very

680
00:28:41,909 --> 00:28:39,760
sarcastic i finally hung up

681
00:28:43,269 --> 00:28:41,919
so i didn't know how i never thought of

682
00:28:44,950 --> 00:28:43,279
looking online to see

683
00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:44,960
right there was any way to report a ufo

684
00:28:49,350 --> 00:28:47,039
i had no idea this is in 2006

685
00:28:50,789 --> 00:28:49,360
but and lord forbid that they put in the

686
00:28:54,230 --> 00:28:50,799
paper martin willis

687
00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:54,240
claims to have seen uh yeah

688
00:28:59,909 --> 00:28:58,000
i'm not that important that was my big

689
00:29:01,350 --> 00:28:59,919
fear though honestly um you know for

690
00:29:03,990 --> 00:29:01,360
somebody that

691
00:29:04,389 --> 00:29:04,000
has a family i'm respected by my peers

692
00:29:07,990 --> 00:29:04,399
and

693
00:29:10,630 --> 00:29:08,000
i would like to be taken seriously to

694
00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:10,640
say ufo in a sentence with a straight

695
00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:11,760
face to anyone

696
00:29:17,909 --> 00:29:15,120
is really difficult outsider

697
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:17,919
outside of the ufo population well i

698
00:29:22,630 --> 00:29:18,720
will tell you this

699
00:29:24,630 --> 00:29:22,640
it's easier now um ever since 2017 in

700
00:29:25,750 --> 00:29:24,640
the new york times coming out with

701
00:29:28,149 --> 00:29:25,760
the story about the pentagon

702
00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:28,159
investigating more sensational

703
00:29:35,350 --> 00:29:32,080
um so i i mean

704
00:29:38,470 --> 00:29:35,360
it's just my personal experience with it

705
00:29:40,230 --> 00:29:38,480
is that outside of people that are

706
00:29:42,149 --> 00:29:40,240
already interested in it

707
00:29:43,590 --> 00:29:42,159
it's really hard to be taken seriously

708
00:29:47,669 --> 00:29:43,600
and i say this

709
00:29:50,470 --> 00:29:47,679
in in with my family being

710
00:29:51,510 --> 00:29:50,480
part of that as well they saw this and

711
00:29:53,190 --> 00:29:51,520
to talk to them

712
00:29:55,029 --> 00:29:53,200
individually today they would each give

713
00:29:58,230 --> 00:29:55,039
you a different

714
00:30:00,149 --> 00:29:58,240
perspective so

715
00:30:02,310 --> 00:30:00,159
i find it very interesting too there's

716
00:30:05,590 --> 00:30:02,320
definitely a psychology behind

717
00:30:06,070 --> 00:30:05,600
experiencing something like this and i

718
00:30:09,269 --> 00:30:06,080
don't know

719
00:30:11,510 --> 00:30:09,279
if it originates with the phenomenon or

720
00:30:13,909 --> 00:30:11,520
if it originates with us psychologically

721
00:30:17,750 --> 00:30:13,919
and how we interpret that information

722
00:30:21,269 --> 00:30:17,760
because slowly but surely over the next

723
00:30:24,389 --> 00:30:21,279
couple of weeks to a month my family

724
00:30:27,909 --> 00:30:24,399
individually forgot this

725
00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:27,919
sighting very strange

726
00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:30,480
they don't forget anything i mean they

727
00:30:34,710 --> 00:30:31,360
don't forget

728
00:30:37,830 --> 00:30:34,720
anything and they forgot this sighting

729
00:30:39,669 --> 00:30:37,840
and i have to

730
00:30:41,190 --> 00:30:39,679
throw pebbles at them to get them to

731
00:30:43,350 --> 00:30:41,200
recall it

732
00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:43,360
and this was another reason why i was so

733
00:30:45,909 --> 00:30:45,520
frustrated with mufon's response and i

734
00:30:48,470 --> 00:30:45,919
say

735
00:30:50,870 --> 00:30:48,480
mufan's response it's it's not their

736
00:30:54,070 --> 00:30:50,880
responsibility that is a group of

737
00:30:56,310 --> 00:30:54,080
volunteers yes and it's not their

738
00:30:57,750 --> 00:30:56,320
responsibility to hand walk me through

739
00:31:01,350 --> 00:30:57,760
my case

740
00:31:05,190 --> 00:31:01,360
um however i was seeing

741
00:31:08,310 --> 00:31:05,200
my individual family members forgetting

742
00:31:10,950 --> 00:31:08,320
details um and

743
00:31:12,630 --> 00:31:10,960
i wanted this case to get more i wanted

744
00:31:16,470 --> 00:31:12,640
them to interview my family

745
00:31:20,950 --> 00:31:16,480
which they didn't do i wanted somebody

746
00:31:22,950 --> 00:31:20,960
a third part not me you know

747
00:31:24,870 --> 00:31:22,960
the way things are going now and we'll

748
00:31:25,269 --> 00:31:24,880
talk about it i have a project going

749
00:31:28,549 --> 00:31:25,279
where i

750
00:31:29,990 --> 00:31:28,559
am interviewing my family to get their

751
00:31:31,750 --> 00:31:30,000
statements before

752
00:31:33,590 --> 00:31:31,760
it disappears my parents are in their

753
00:31:35,830 --> 00:31:33,600
late 80s

754
00:31:38,070 --> 00:31:35,840
you know and i would love to have had my

755
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:38,080
family on with you today

756
00:31:42,389 --> 00:31:40,080
but you would find it disappointing

757
00:31:45,269 --> 00:31:42,399
without me

758
00:31:46,630 --> 00:31:45,279
i i don't want to say helping them

759
00:31:49,669 --> 00:31:46,640
recall

760
00:31:52,630 --> 00:31:49,679
but i i i almost have to

761
00:31:53,269 --> 00:31:52,640
just say certain words and then they'll

762
00:31:55,830 --> 00:31:53,279
give you

763
00:31:56,870 --> 00:31:55,840
their spiel i have to give them a

764
00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:56,880
trigger

765
00:32:01,110 --> 00:31:59,440
and then the like if i say to my mom

766
00:32:02,310 --> 00:32:01,120
remember that day she'll say yeah we

767
00:32:05,350 --> 00:32:02,320
were down at the beach

768
00:32:08,549 --> 00:32:05,360
and um

769
00:32:10,310 --> 00:32:08,559
that will be it um generally

770
00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:10,320
and then i'll say something do you

771
00:32:14,149 --> 00:32:11,760
remember seeing anything in the sky and

772
00:32:16,870 --> 00:32:14,159
she was like oh yeah

773
00:32:19,430 --> 00:32:16,880
i remember seeing that light i'm like

774
00:32:21,669 --> 00:32:19,440
did you hear anything she'll say yes

775
00:32:22,789 --> 00:32:21,679
and she'll describe what she heard but

776
00:32:25,909 --> 00:32:22,799
if i just come

777
00:32:28,549 --> 00:32:25,919
at her she has no recollection it's

778
00:32:29,430 --> 00:32:28,559
it's strange because you could ask her

779
00:32:32,710 --> 00:32:29,440
what she did

780
00:32:35,430 --> 00:32:32,720
for her fifth grade school in the 80s

781
00:32:36,149 --> 00:32:35,440
for a project and she'll know every

782
00:32:39,990 --> 00:32:36,159
detail

783
00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:40,000
yeah martin it's very strange

784
00:32:43,029 --> 00:32:41,440
i don't know how to interpret that

785
00:32:45,029 --> 00:32:43,039
information

786
00:32:46,310 --> 00:32:45,039
it's let me just let me just pop this

787
00:32:49,909 --> 00:32:46,320
question up here

788
00:32:50,870 --> 00:32:49,919
and uh this is by um e-r-r-t radio did

789
00:32:52,389 --> 00:32:50,880
you have any mental

790
00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:52,399
connection in other words was there it

791
00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:54,000
gives me chills to just

792
00:33:05,990 --> 00:33:03,350
probably probably

793
00:33:07,509 --> 00:33:06,000
because i can't get it out of my head

794
00:33:09,190 --> 00:33:07,519
you know it's not

795
00:33:11,350 --> 00:33:09,200
i'd never thought about this before but

796
00:33:15,190 --> 00:33:11,360
now i'm researching

797
00:33:15,669 --> 00:33:15,200
i'm online did this happen right right

798
00:33:19,029 --> 00:33:15,679
after

799
00:33:22,549 --> 00:33:19,039
that michelle pardon me did this happen

800
00:33:24,789 --> 00:33:22,559
right after or your interest remained

801
00:33:27,430 --> 00:33:24,799
ever since it happened or was there like

802
00:33:29,190 --> 00:33:27,440
a a cool off time where you

803
00:33:31,430 --> 00:33:29,200
you didn't think about enough time for

804
00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:31,440
me i felt like i was

805
00:33:37,990 --> 00:33:35,200
um kind of invading on my

806
00:33:38,630 --> 00:33:38,000
family when i would bring it up but it

807
00:33:41,990 --> 00:33:38,640
was on

808
00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:42,000
my mind a lot it wasn't on their mind at

809
00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:42,960
all

810
00:33:48,710 --> 00:33:46,320
any of them um and so even so

811
00:33:50,230 --> 00:33:48,720
my sister's oldest he was the one that

812
00:33:53,830 --> 00:33:50,240
cried out

813
00:33:55,029 --> 00:33:53,840
oh look a saucer he's if you were to ask

814
00:33:58,630 --> 00:33:55,039
him about it today

815
00:34:02,070 --> 00:33:58,640
he'll say oh yeah like we totally

816
00:34:03,669 --> 00:34:02,080
saw saucer that was great but he has no

817
00:34:07,350 --> 00:34:03,679
details

818
00:34:09,909 --> 00:34:07,360
he has no

819
00:34:11,349 --> 00:34:09,919
i mean maybe he will as he gets a little

820
00:34:13,030 --> 00:34:11,359
older

821
00:34:14,629 --> 00:34:13,040
but at this point it was just kind of

822
00:34:16,950 --> 00:34:14,639
like yep

823
00:34:18,069 --> 00:34:16,960
that's you know he's young enough to be

824
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:18,079
in that

825
00:34:22,629 --> 00:34:20,399
group he's still a highly intelligent

826
00:34:24,790 --> 00:34:22,639
kid and he is getting

827
00:34:26,710 --> 00:34:24,800
you know his degrees in university right

828
00:34:29,109 --> 00:34:26,720
now

829
00:34:30,629 --> 00:34:29,119
but at the same rate it's still

830
00:34:31,349 --> 00:34:30,639
something that was just kind of like

831
00:34:33,510 --> 00:34:31,359
yeah

832
00:34:34,869 --> 00:34:33,520
i i feel like the younger generation

833
00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:34,879
perhaps martin

834
00:34:39,750 --> 00:34:37,919
is way accepting of this and they're on

835
00:34:43,510 --> 00:34:39,760
another level where

836
00:34:45,669 --> 00:34:43,520
you know this is an acceptable reality

837
00:34:47,109 --> 00:34:45,679
and so that's another part of the

838
00:34:48,869 --> 00:34:47,119
psychology i feel like

839
00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:48,879
he's forgotten the details because he

840
00:34:54,470 --> 00:34:51,280
was like yeah no big deal

841
00:34:56,310 --> 00:34:54,480
you know what i mean um and that

842
00:34:57,990 --> 00:34:56,320
actually seems like that could have been

843
00:35:01,190 --> 00:34:58,000
the case for a couple of

844
00:35:04,230 --> 00:35:01,200
my family members um

845
00:35:05,990 --> 00:35:04,240
and i i've gone back to them lightly

846
00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:06,000
at this point because i don't want to

847
00:35:09,430 --> 00:35:07,760
muddy the waters i've gone back to them

848
00:35:12,950 --> 00:35:09,440
lightly to see if any of them recall

849
00:35:16,069 --> 00:35:12,960
anything and um some do

850
00:35:19,990 --> 00:35:16,079
and some don't and that's cool

851
00:35:22,230 --> 00:35:20,000
because um i told you about the eight

852
00:35:23,589 --> 00:35:22,240
and those are the adults my little kids

853
00:35:26,950 --> 00:35:23,599
were there too

854
00:35:30,870 --> 00:35:26,960
and so my my youngest son is like i

855
00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:30,880
remember everyone talking about it

856
00:35:33,910 --> 00:35:32,640
but nobody else family even remembers

857
00:35:36,950 --> 00:35:33,920
talking about it

858
00:35:39,990 --> 00:35:36,960
yeah so i think it really go

859
00:35:41,670 --> 00:35:40,000
it's probably not just you know say a

860
00:35:43,510 --> 00:35:41,680
ufo sighting

861
00:35:45,349 --> 00:35:43,520
but it really kind of goes to show that

862
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:45,359
everybody handles something

863
00:35:49,829 --> 00:35:47,520
differently right you know whenever

864
00:35:53,670 --> 00:35:49,839
there's a tragedy whenever there's

865
00:35:55,829 --> 00:35:53,680
something that happens um everybody

866
00:35:59,430 --> 00:35:55,839
has their own little way of handling it

867
00:36:02,390 --> 00:35:59,440
but i feel like high impact low impact

868
00:36:03,109 --> 00:36:02,400
what i mean that really comes into play

869
00:36:05,910 --> 00:36:03,119
here

870
00:36:06,790 --> 00:36:05,920
because we saw these things really

871
00:36:09,030 --> 00:36:06,800
cruising

872
00:36:10,470 --> 00:36:09,040
i mean that tic tac did something

873
00:36:13,430 --> 00:36:10,480
incredible we saw

874
00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:13,440
that beam come out clearly you know that

875
00:36:17,270 --> 00:36:14,160
wasn't

876
00:36:20,310 --> 00:36:17,280
minor that was major for us all to see

877
00:36:22,630 --> 00:36:20,320
um we saw a box popping things in and

878
00:36:25,910 --> 00:36:22,640
out potentially of

879
00:36:27,670 --> 00:36:25,920
like a portal in a way right i mean

880
00:36:30,390 --> 00:36:27,680
would you consider that's what you

881
00:36:31,109 --> 00:36:30,400
thought you were seeing i hate saying it

882
00:36:34,230 --> 00:36:31,119
i hate

883
00:36:38,310 --> 00:36:34,240
yeah yeah martin

884
00:36:41,910 --> 00:36:38,320
i mean that is exactly what i saw

885
00:36:46,550 --> 00:36:41,920
so clearly so clearly

886
00:36:49,349 --> 00:36:46,560
um incredible absolutely mesmerizing

887
00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:49,359
and that was why i wanted to softly

888
00:36:54,310 --> 00:36:49,920
bring this

889
00:36:58,710 --> 00:36:54,320
out and so um i wrote an email

890
00:37:00,710 --> 00:36:58,720
to uh nick at the ufo chronicles podcast

891
00:37:02,710 --> 00:37:00,720
and just thought you know if i could

892
00:37:05,829 --> 00:37:02,720
just bring it out softly

893
00:37:08,230 --> 00:37:05,839
um and see if anyone else potentially

894
00:37:09,030 --> 00:37:08,240
had seen anything that day that was my

895
00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:09,040
big

896
00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:11,760
go for with coming out was to see if we

897
00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:12,720
could corroborate this

898
00:37:17,990 --> 00:37:16,560
in public you know do something with

899
00:37:21,589 --> 00:37:18,000
that community that is so

900
00:37:23,910 --> 00:37:21,599
vast and

901
00:37:24,870 --> 00:37:23,920
so far i haven't had anything

902
00:37:28,310 --> 00:37:24,880
corroborating

903
00:37:30,390 --> 00:37:28,320
my sighting on this on the fifth of july

904
00:37:31,910 --> 00:37:30,400
now what about what about you talk about

905
00:37:35,109 --> 00:37:31,920
cooperating

906
00:37:38,470 --> 00:37:35,119
has no one else saw

907
00:37:39,270 --> 00:37:38,480
as far as mufon knows right no one else

908
00:37:42,710 --> 00:37:39,280
reported this

909
00:37:46,150 --> 00:37:42,720
what about peter davenport of mufon

910
00:37:47,910 --> 00:37:46,160
is when i directly asked so um

911
00:37:49,270 --> 00:37:47,920
initially not a lot of communication

912
00:37:53,109 --> 00:37:49,280
frustration

913
00:38:00,470 --> 00:37:56,470
i was in contact again with mufon with

914
00:38:00,950 --> 00:38:00,480
the director of mufon for washington

915
00:38:04,230 --> 00:38:00,960
state

916
00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:04,240
and what an incredible person he is

917
00:38:10,470 --> 00:38:07,760
and highly knowledged um

918
00:38:11,349 --> 00:38:10,480
and not to stray too far from your

919
00:38:14,870 --> 00:38:11,359
question there

920
00:38:18,230 --> 00:38:14,880
but um he gave me all the data

921
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:18,240
on my case so i was able to review it

922
00:38:25,910 --> 00:38:22,320
um and there was extensive data um

923
00:38:26,710 --> 00:38:25,920
was that your question um well no just

924
00:38:30,150 --> 00:38:26,720
to wonder

925
00:38:33,430 --> 00:38:30,160
why uh you know there did they actually

926
00:38:35,190 --> 00:38:33,440
seek out other you know to see if there

927
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:35,200
were other witnesses no one else called

928
00:38:38,950 --> 00:38:36,240
it in and

929
00:38:40,710 --> 00:38:38,960
i also pardoned me i also mentioned the

930
00:38:42,150 --> 00:38:40,720
national ufo reporting center

931
00:38:44,230 --> 00:38:42,160
uh with peter davenport which is

932
00:38:46,069 --> 00:38:44,240
actually in washington right

933
00:38:47,990 --> 00:38:46,079
i don't know if you contacted them or

934
00:38:51,109 --> 00:38:48,000
what about them yeah

935
00:38:52,069 --> 00:38:51,119
um i unfortunately didn't didn't know

936
00:38:53,430 --> 00:38:52,079
about it

937
00:38:55,349 --> 00:38:53,440
but it's actually something you can

938
00:38:58,310 --> 00:38:55,359
still check to see if

939
00:38:59,670 --> 00:38:58,320
but a lot of times they move on and then

940
00:39:01,589 --> 00:38:59,680
kind of work together

941
00:39:04,150 --> 00:39:01,599
right when there's a sighting that's

942
00:39:05,990 --> 00:39:04,160
reported but i would still check it out

943
00:39:07,589 --> 00:39:06,000
mufon definitely did their research i

944
00:39:10,790 --> 00:39:07,599
know they checked with

945
00:39:14,230 --> 00:39:10,800
um other agencies there was um

946
00:39:16,150 --> 00:39:14,240
they had talked to the airport and

947
00:39:17,910 --> 00:39:16,160
the two military bases that i believe

948
00:39:19,430 --> 00:39:17,920
are right there

949
00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:19,440
and there should have only been one

950
00:39:23,430 --> 00:39:21,119
plane in the air at that time and

951
00:39:25,109 --> 00:39:23,440
in my first photograph you see it you

952
00:39:27,270 --> 00:39:25,119
can see the plane

953
00:39:28,950 --> 00:39:27,280
in my first photograph so it's beautiful

954
00:39:31,190 --> 00:39:28,960
corroborating information

955
00:39:33,030 --> 00:39:31,200
oh i see you can totally make out the

956
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:33,040
plane

957
00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:35,280
in the far background you can it's

958
00:39:40,870 --> 00:39:37,760
further away than the saucer

959
00:39:43,190 --> 00:39:40,880
and you can make out fuselage tail

960
00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:43,200
um you can make out the shape of this

961
00:39:46,710 --> 00:39:43,920
plane no

962
00:39:48,310 --> 00:39:46,720
problem in the far background on its

963
00:39:50,069 --> 00:39:48,320
descent

964
00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:50,079
and then you can see in the foreground

965
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:51,440
high up in the sky

966
00:39:54,870 --> 00:39:53,280
the the saucer i have depicted there

967
00:39:57,750 --> 00:39:54,880
with the two portals kind of

968
00:39:59,349 --> 00:39:57,760
up on the top now i didn't actually

969
00:40:00,870 --> 00:39:59,359
notice a picture of

970
00:40:02,470 --> 00:40:00,880
you're you're saying you have a picture

971
00:40:05,349 --> 00:40:02,480
of the saucer

972
00:40:05,829 --> 00:40:05,359
yeah you showed it it was that that's

973
00:40:08,550 --> 00:40:05,839
the very

974
00:40:10,470 --> 00:40:08,560
okay so great let's look at this if you

975
00:40:11,190 --> 00:40:10,480
want to show your audience this at this

976
00:40:14,710 --> 00:40:11,200
point this

977
00:40:16,710 --> 00:40:14,720
is um a

978
00:40:19,510 --> 00:40:16,720
pretty good look at what i was looking

979
00:40:24,150 --> 00:40:19,520
at that is a non-zoomed in

980
00:40:27,190 --> 00:40:24,160
photograph of the tic tac uh

981
00:40:28,309 --> 00:40:27,200
i believe at that point that may be it

982
00:40:32,230 --> 00:40:28,319
recoiling

983
00:40:35,910 --> 00:40:32,240
the portal

984
00:40:39,109 --> 00:40:35,920
back up into itself um

985
00:40:41,190 --> 00:40:39,119
so yeah in this this

986
00:40:42,790 --> 00:40:41,200
this picture here which one is this one

987
00:40:43,270 --> 00:40:42,800
that is a close-up of the one you just

988
00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:43,280
showed

989
00:40:50,870 --> 00:40:46,800
i see there's the tic tac

990
00:40:54,390 --> 00:40:50,880
in the background or is it closer on top

991
00:40:56,710 --> 00:40:54,400
of the slight

992
00:40:57,829 --> 00:40:56,720
beam you can kind of make out a little

993
00:41:01,589 --> 00:40:57,839
line

994
00:41:04,870 --> 00:41:01,599
and then that is a photo of that

995
00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:04,880
3d square retracting

996
00:41:10,390 --> 00:41:08,160
at that point um in one of the wide

997
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:10,400
shots i have it out in a box

998
00:41:13,990 --> 00:41:12,480
if you can scroll through and find that

999
00:41:15,750 --> 00:41:14,000
but this is a great photo because you

1000
00:41:17,990 --> 00:41:15,760
can see the beam

1001
00:41:19,349 --> 00:41:18,000
yeah i don't i don't know that first

1002
00:41:21,589 --> 00:41:19,359
photo and that's that's yeah

1003
00:41:22,870 --> 00:41:21,599
no i don't believe i have that one but

1004
00:41:26,550 --> 00:41:22,880
anyway okay we'll just

1005
00:41:30,390 --> 00:41:26,560
move on um if you'd like to show the map

1006
00:41:33,430 --> 00:41:30,400
i should show a sequence so down there

1007
00:41:35,510 --> 00:41:33,440
you see where i was looking

1008
00:41:37,270 --> 00:41:35,520
the direction i was pointing and then

1009
00:41:41,430 --> 00:41:37,280
all of those dots

1010
00:41:44,150 --> 00:41:41,440
were photographs so i had photographed

1011
00:41:45,109 --> 00:41:44,160
all of those and the photographs that i

1012
00:41:47,829 --> 00:41:45,119
have

1013
00:41:49,510 --> 00:41:47,839
line up with each of those dots the

1014
00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:49,520
green line down the center

1015
00:41:55,990 --> 00:41:53,520
is my estimation of where these objects

1016
00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:56,000
traveled from into during the time i

1017
00:41:59,430 --> 00:41:57,119
cited them

1018
00:42:01,910 --> 00:41:59,440
i have no idea where they were before

1019
00:42:02,470 --> 00:42:01,920
and i don't know where they went after

1020
00:42:05,829 --> 00:42:02,480
but

1021
00:42:07,829 --> 00:42:05,839
um it definitely seemed

1022
00:42:10,069 --> 00:42:07,839
like they were on a mission they were

1023
00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:10,079
definitely coordinated

1024
00:42:15,109 --> 00:42:12,720
um and so my also my estimation is that

1025
00:42:18,630 --> 00:42:15,119
i was between

1026
00:42:20,950 --> 00:42:18,640
seven and nine miles away from them so

1027
00:42:22,309 --> 00:42:20,960
pretty good camera considering the

1028
00:42:25,349 --> 00:42:22,319
distance

1029
00:42:28,550 --> 00:42:25,359
you know um now i could be off

1030
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:28,560
and mufan kind of

1031
00:42:32,309 --> 00:42:30,480
had some corroborating info on this

1032
00:42:36,069 --> 00:42:32,319
stuff so i i feel good about this

1033
00:42:39,990 --> 00:42:36,079
but um this is my my take on

1034
00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:40,000
on that scenario

1035
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:43,440
wow and someone had put in the

1036
00:42:49,430 --> 00:42:47,040
in the um chat earlier um

1037
00:42:50,950 --> 00:42:49,440
that they wondered if you thought that

1038
00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:50,960
the noise that your mother heard

1039
00:42:54,790 --> 00:42:52,720
was a breaking of the sound barrier or

1040
00:42:59,910 --> 00:42:54,800
something else right

1041
00:43:04,710 --> 00:43:03,349
i did hear something i believe when that

1042
00:43:06,870 --> 00:43:04,720
portal opened

1043
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:06,880
and it corroborated with what my mom had

1044
00:43:10,950 --> 00:43:08,880
said originally

1045
00:43:12,150 --> 00:43:10,960
she had said it sounded like a balloon

1046
00:43:13,910 --> 00:43:12,160
being blown up without

1047
00:43:15,910 --> 00:43:13,920
the without being able to hear the air

1048
00:43:17,990 --> 00:43:15,920
so you know how rubber sounds when it

1049
00:43:20,069 --> 00:43:18,000
expands

1050
00:43:22,230 --> 00:43:20,079
yeah that was the sound she heard but

1051
00:43:27,829 --> 00:43:22,240
loud i guess

1052
00:43:31,270 --> 00:43:27,839
so trying to imagine a balloon expanding

1053
00:43:33,829 --> 00:43:31,280
strange description but that is kind of

1054
00:43:37,589 --> 00:43:33,839
what it sounded like

1055
00:43:41,349 --> 00:43:37,599
um yeah tubular

1056
00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:41,359
it had a tubular sound to it

1057
00:43:46,390 --> 00:43:43,920
um when it was actually moving across

1058
00:43:49,270 --> 00:43:46,400
the sky there was no noise

1059
00:43:51,510 --> 00:43:49,280
um i i used the word popping or

1060
00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:51,520
shuddering but there was no noise

1061
00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:54,640
it just seemed to appear stop and then

1062
00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:55,920
it would reappear but

1063
00:44:03,030 --> 00:44:00,000
very rapidly very very rapidly

1064
00:44:06,790 --> 00:44:03,040
appearing and disappearing that's why

1065
00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:06,800
some of my photos show nothing

1066
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:08,880
it's very odd and the reason i feel that

1067
00:44:13,670 --> 00:44:10,800
they were in sync was because

1068
00:44:14,470 --> 00:44:13,680
in a photo where there was nothing there

1069
00:44:16,390 --> 00:44:14,480
was

1070
00:44:18,069 --> 00:44:16,400
nothing and then in photos where there

1071
00:44:24,710 --> 00:44:18,079
were

1072
00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:24,720
so that data led me to think that they

1073
00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:25,680
were somehow

1074
00:44:35,510 --> 00:44:32,870
all hypothetical stuff i'm saying right

1075
00:44:38,870 --> 00:44:35,520
now obviously

1076
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:38,880
um but no

1077
00:44:44,470 --> 00:44:42,000
interpretation now the um

1078
00:44:46,390 --> 00:44:44,480
the other one you send me i'm not going

1079
00:44:48,309 --> 00:44:46,400
to put it up right at this second

1080
00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:48,319
but it shows what almost looks like

1081
00:44:50,790 --> 00:44:50,400
lightning the sky looks darker is it the

1082
00:44:53,510 --> 00:44:50,800
same

1083
00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:53,520
area no no it's a whole different thing

1084
00:44:56,710 --> 00:44:54,720
very different

1085
00:44:58,470 --> 00:44:56,720
okay so i won't even all right we'll go

1086
00:45:01,670 --> 00:44:58,480
there later later

1087
00:45:04,069 --> 00:45:01,680
yeah um so

1088
00:45:05,109 --> 00:45:04,079
as far as the time goes that this took

1089
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:05,119
place

1090
00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:08,160
i know um sounds like a lot happened but

1091
00:45:13,589 --> 00:45:11,040
was it in a short time

1092
00:45:14,550 --> 00:45:13,599
two minutes about two minutes this is a

1093
00:45:16,390 --> 00:45:14,560
long time

1094
00:45:18,230 --> 00:45:16,400
yeah depending on what's happening

1095
00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:18,240
you're right it was a long

1096
00:45:27,430 --> 00:45:27,030
it's hard for me to really feel that

1097
00:45:30,630 --> 00:45:27,440
though

1098
00:45:31,510 --> 00:45:30,640
because a lot of that time was me just

1099
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:31,520
sitting there in

1100
00:45:38,150 --> 00:45:34,800
awe and i mean ah yeah

1101
00:45:39,190 --> 00:45:38,160
i i i get that take as many photos as i

1102
00:45:41,109 --> 00:45:39,200
could

1103
00:45:42,550 --> 00:45:41,119
but at the same i had to remind myself

1104
00:45:45,510 --> 00:45:42,560
to take photos kind of

1105
00:45:47,190 --> 00:45:45,520
and i i i was photographing the clouds

1106
00:45:48,550 --> 00:45:47,200
not the objects because they were moving

1107
00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:48,560
so fast

1108
00:45:51,589 --> 00:45:50,880
so like i would see something and i'd be

1109
00:45:53,670 --> 00:45:51,599
like all right

1110
00:45:56,309 --> 00:45:53,680
boom i'm going to photograph that little

1111
00:45:58,550 --> 00:45:56,319
sparkle i just saw near that cloud

1112
00:45:59,430 --> 00:45:58,560
and then luckily some of my photos would

1113
00:46:01,430 --> 00:45:59,440
have it

1114
00:46:02,950 --> 00:46:01,440
but a lot of times i would see something

1115
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:02,960
and photograph it and i know

1116
00:46:07,510 --> 00:46:05,040
in that photo there was nothing it was

1117
00:46:10,870 --> 00:46:07,520
because either my shutter speed was off

1118
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:10,880
or my hand speed was off

1119
00:46:15,270 --> 00:46:12,960
i was missing the objects and the photo

1120
00:46:16,230 --> 00:46:15,280
is kind of like fps you know your frames

1121
00:46:18,790 --> 00:46:16,240
per second

1122
00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:18,800
are they moving so fast that my shutter

1123
00:46:22,150 --> 00:46:19,520
can't

1124
00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:22,160
pick it up or are they really not there

1125
00:46:26,550 --> 00:46:23,920
you know they're not ducking behind haze

1126
00:46:29,829 --> 00:46:26,560
there's no clouds that low

1127
00:46:34,550 --> 00:46:29,839
these were in clear skies there was

1128
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:34,560
nothing blocking our view um

1129
00:46:43,030 --> 00:46:38,160
now when this when this ended

1130
00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:43,040
did it end in a way that moved

1131
00:46:46,550 --> 00:46:45,760
or did it end like a blink out it was so

1132
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:46,560
bizarre

1133
00:46:54,309 --> 00:46:52,870
and and my mental state right after was

1134
00:46:58,230 --> 00:46:54,319
so bizarre too

1135
00:47:03,190 --> 00:46:58,240
um okay so

1136
00:47:05,589 --> 00:47:03,200
that portal closed and the objects just

1137
00:47:06,710 --> 00:47:05,599
shuttered off the way they had often to

1138
00:47:08,829 --> 00:47:06,720
the distance

1139
00:47:12,309 --> 00:47:08,839
to a point where i could not see them

1140
00:47:14,069 --> 00:47:12,319
anymore i fired off some other photos

1141
00:47:16,710 --> 00:47:14,079
and then i started taking pictures of

1142
00:47:19,750 --> 00:47:16,720
sailboats

1143
00:47:20,950 --> 00:47:19,760
why i don't know i have some family

1144
00:47:22,829 --> 00:47:20,960
photos

1145
00:47:24,069 --> 00:47:22,839
right there and then which is to be

1146
00:47:26,630 --> 00:47:24,079
expected

1147
00:47:28,069 --> 00:47:26,640
but a lot of other photos of things that

1148
00:47:31,829 --> 00:47:28,079
were just in the water

1149
00:47:34,470 --> 00:47:31,839
and some of like a tree

1150
00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:34,480
that was kind of near my truck and i was

1151
00:47:36,870 --> 00:47:35,280
like

1152
00:47:38,790 --> 00:47:36,880
i remember taking them and just being

1153
00:47:42,309 --> 00:47:38,800
like wow

1154
00:47:44,069 --> 00:47:42,319
like i had this weird like

1155
00:47:46,870 --> 00:47:44,079
i was in a weird headspace right after

1156
00:47:49,270 --> 00:47:46,880
it um and i think my whole family was to

1157
00:47:51,190 --> 00:47:49,280
be completely honest because

1158
00:47:53,589 --> 00:47:51,200
it was distracting me something was

1159
00:47:54,230 --> 00:47:53,599
distracting me away from what i had just

1160
00:47:57,589 --> 00:47:54,240
seen

1161
00:47:58,230 --> 00:47:57,599
my my the sequential photos from that

1162
00:48:01,589 --> 00:47:58,240
day

1163
00:48:03,910 --> 00:48:01,599
are a little not

1164
00:48:05,589 --> 00:48:03,920
that they're they're not normal photos

1165
00:48:07,589 --> 00:48:05,599
for me to be taking

1166
00:48:09,589 --> 00:48:07,599
and so it was just odd and when you look

1167
00:48:11,910 --> 00:48:09,599
at the whole sequence

1168
00:48:14,230 --> 00:48:11,920
of photos on my phone you're just kind

1169
00:48:16,230 --> 00:48:14,240
of like this tells a strange story

1170
00:48:17,829 --> 00:48:16,240
yeah uh we just to let you know we have

1171
00:48:18,790 --> 00:48:17,839
about seven minutes before we go into

1172
00:48:22,150 --> 00:48:18,800
our first break

1173
00:48:25,270 --> 00:48:22,160
but um i i kind of sense now this is

1174
00:48:28,790 --> 00:48:25,280
a sense i may be totally off in this

1175
00:48:31,829 --> 00:48:28,800
but is this an emotional thing for you

1176
00:48:32,470 --> 00:48:31,839
um frustrating it's a frustrating topic

1177
00:48:35,829 --> 00:48:32,480
for me

1178
00:48:38,549 --> 00:48:35,839
because it's outside of the box

1179
00:48:40,950 --> 00:48:38,559
that i am used to yeah and so it's

1180
00:48:45,349 --> 00:48:40,960
information that's baffling

1181
00:48:49,750 --> 00:48:45,359
it was unexplainable

1182
00:48:51,750 --> 00:48:49,760
and so that eats me up yeah

1183
00:48:52,950 --> 00:48:51,760
it's got a big piece of me i think i

1184
00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:52,960
want to solve it i

1185
00:48:56,950 --> 00:48:55,440
i i see things on the news i'm like that

1186
00:48:59,750 --> 00:48:56,960
is definitely not a ufo

1187
00:49:00,870 --> 00:48:59,760
i know what that is um there are so many

1188
00:49:04,870 --> 00:49:00,880
things that i'm just

1189
00:49:06,309 --> 00:49:04,880
like everything is from this planet like

1190
00:49:08,069 --> 00:49:06,319
that's what i've been raised on i can

1191
00:49:10,309 --> 00:49:08,079
explain most things away and i've seen

1192
00:49:12,790 --> 00:49:10,319
some incredible things

1193
00:49:13,430 --> 00:49:12,800
um in fact i know you only have a few

1194
00:49:16,069 --> 00:49:13,440
minutes but

1195
00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:16,079
um no we have we have time dan aykroyd

1196
00:49:20,710 --> 00:49:18,240
talked in an interview about a pink

1197
00:49:23,910 --> 00:49:20,720
spiral that he saw in the 80s

1198
00:49:25,670 --> 00:49:23,920
i witnessed that i would name one

1199
00:49:27,670 --> 00:49:25,680
the same one and you guys can research

1200
00:49:29,670 --> 00:49:27,680
that it's a really cool sighting

1201
00:49:32,309 --> 00:49:29,680
i ran into the house and dragged my dad

1202
00:49:36,470 --> 00:49:32,319
out and he saw it with me

1203
00:49:38,630 --> 00:49:36,480
a pink spiral in space this was in space

1204
00:49:39,589 --> 00:49:38,640
did anyone ever look to see sometimes

1205
00:49:42,309 --> 00:49:39,599
rocket launches

1206
00:49:44,710 --> 00:49:42,319
right the chinese they said it was a

1207
00:49:47,750 --> 00:49:44,720
chinese rocket

1208
00:49:50,950 --> 00:49:47,760
i would be fine with that except

1209
00:49:54,790 --> 00:49:53,750
you know everything i know now makes me

1210
00:49:56,870 --> 00:49:54,800
say that wasn't

1211
00:49:58,790 --> 00:49:56,880
and you can read some articles there's

1212
00:49:59,109 --> 00:49:58,800
really interesting articles that came

1213
00:50:02,630 --> 00:49:59,119
out

1214
00:50:03,990 --> 00:50:02,640
just me they saw it all over the east

1215
00:50:06,150 --> 00:50:04,000
coast

1216
00:50:07,349 --> 00:50:06,160
um and so tons of research came out

1217
00:50:09,750 --> 00:50:07,359
about it but

1218
00:50:11,510 --> 00:50:09,760
you know my family heard chinese rockets

1219
00:50:13,910 --> 00:50:11,520
and we forgot about it

1220
00:50:15,990 --> 00:50:13,920
we were fine with that as a description

1221
00:50:17,430 --> 00:50:16,000
the same way if mufon had come back and

1222
00:50:19,030 --> 00:50:17,440
said this is one of ours you should

1223
00:50:20,870 --> 00:50:19,040
destroy those photos

1224
00:50:22,950 --> 00:50:20,880
i would have been fine with that i'm a

1225
00:50:26,790 --> 00:50:22,960
patriot okay

1226
00:50:30,549 --> 00:50:26,800
i am the last guy that's gonna

1227
00:50:32,309 --> 00:50:30,559
burn the u.s for some cool ufo photos

1228
00:50:34,470 --> 00:50:32,319
if it's a secret i don't want to release

1229
00:50:36,950 --> 00:50:34,480
it no way

1230
00:50:38,309 --> 00:50:36,960
and this was not ours what i

1231
00:50:39,990 --> 00:50:38,319
photographed was not ours

1232
00:50:41,829 --> 00:50:40,000
and i can appreciate people that believe

1233
00:50:45,109 --> 00:50:41,839
that uaps

1234
00:50:46,870 --> 00:50:45,119
and discs and these tic tacs are ours

1235
00:50:50,549 --> 00:50:46,880
and drones

1236
00:50:53,750 --> 00:50:50,559
sorry what i saw

1237
00:50:55,829 --> 00:50:53,760
that's not our technology that was not

1238
00:50:57,589 --> 00:50:55,839
our technology

1239
00:50:59,670 --> 00:50:57,599
that's kind of how i felt when i had my

1240
00:51:02,230 --> 00:50:59,680
sighting which was not dramatic at all

1241
00:51:03,430 --> 00:51:02,240
but let me just pop this question up

1242
00:51:05,589 --> 00:51:03,440
from mary grace

1243
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:05,599
um because she want to know this was

1244
00:51:08,790 --> 00:51:07,200
when you're talking earlier about your

1245
00:51:12,549 --> 00:51:08,800
family not remembering

1246
00:51:14,630 --> 00:51:12,559
and basically the uh do you think that

1247
00:51:16,309 --> 00:51:14,640
some people just don't think too deeply

1248
00:51:17,829 --> 00:51:16,319
but because they don't want to remember

1249
00:51:29,589 --> 00:51:17,839
it

1250
00:51:32,630 --> 00:51:29,599
might be

1251
00:51:33,589 --> 00:51:32,640
something not from this earth mostly i

1252
00:51:36,309 --> 00:51:33,599
mean it's

1253
00:51:37,829 --> 00:51:36,319
it's just strange and you know i am

1254
00:51:39,670 --> 00:51:37,839
going to film the interviews with my

1255
00:51:41,190 --> 00:51:39,680
family to watch their first

1256
00:51:44,069 --> 00:51:41,200
like i'm going to try and catch them off

1257
00:51:45,990 --> 00:51:44,079
guard i'm going to try to do because

1258
00:51:47,510 --> 00:51:46,000
when they're not prepared for me to talk

1259
00:51:49,190 --> 00:51:47,520
about this topic

1260
00:51:51,030 --> 00:51:49,200
it's almost like they have to fight a

1261
00:51:55,030 --> 00:51:51,040
block

1262
00:51:59,270 --> 00:51:55,040
things and their first

1263
00:52:01,589 --> 00:51:59,280
their first facial thing is a smile

1264
00:52:02,710 --> 00:52:01,599
they'll smile like an uncomfortable

1265
00:52:05,829 --> 00:52:02,720
smile like a

1266
00:52:09,109 --> 00:52:05,839
like a chimp smile it's very strange

1267
00:52:09,750 --> 00:52:09,119
and i don't quite know how to uh put it

1268
00:52:12,549 --> 00:52:09,760
into

1269
00:52:13,030 --> 00:52:12,559
words do i feel like they're blocked

1270
00:52:14,470 --> 00:52:13,040
yeah

1271
00:52:16,309 --> 00:52:14,480
i definitely feel like they're blocked

1272
00:52:18,230 --> 00:52:16,319
it's so frustrating because

1273
00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:18,240
for something so incredible for them to

1274
00:52:23,829 --> 00:52:20,160
forget or just to put in the

1275
00:52:27,030 --> 00:52:23,839
in a box as uh oh yeah it was just a ufo

1276
00:52:29,829 --> 00:52:27,040
that is devastating

1277
00:52:31,109 --> 00:52:29,839
to think that they saw that they

1278
00:52:33,510 --> 00:52:31,119
reviewed the photos

1279
00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:33,520
they were like yep that's what we saw

1280
00:52:36,069 --> 00:52:34,960
and i'm like so what do you guys think

1281
00:52:38,230 --> 00:52:36,079
it was and

1282
00:52:39,670 --> 00:52:38,240
you know they're like it was a ufo where

1283
00:52:40,790 --> 00:52:39,680
ours

1284
00:52:43,670 --> 00:52:40,800
and i'm like what do you think it was

1285
00:52:47,030 --> 00:52:43,680
doing like that was definitely

1286
00:52:48,309 --> 00:52:47,040
a portal uh i forget the word my dad had

1287
00:52:51,910 --> 00:52:48,319
used

1288
00:52:52,549 --> 00:52:51,920
he didn't call it a portal i'll remember

1289
00:53:01,190 --> 00:52:52,559
it

1290
00:53:05,150 --> 00:53:01,200
um but i do think that um

1291
00:53:08,150 --> 00:53:05,160
there's uh a temporary unintentional

1292
00:53:10,950 --> 00:53:08,160
disassociation

1293
00:53:11,670 --> 00:53:10,960
okay and in my notes that's what i have

1294
00:53:14,630 --> 00:53:11,680
called this

1295
00:53:15,589 --> 00:53:14,640
a temporary disassociation that's

1296
00:53:18,710 --> 00:53:15,599
unintentional

1297
00:53:20,230 --> 00:53:18,720
it makes a lot of sense

1298
00:53:22,069 --> 00:53:20,240
it they don't care about it all of a

1299
00:53:25,990 --> 00:53:22,079
sudden or they've already

1300
00:53:26,790 --> 00:53:26,000
put into a box yeah yeah i think i think

1301
00:53:28,870 --> 00:53:26,800
that can

1302
00:53:30,230 --> 00:53:28,880
very well happen i've told a number of

1303
00:53:33,510 --> 00:53:30,240
times um

1304
00:53:34,069 --> 00:53:33,520
this quick story i'll tell you um on the

1305
00:53:36,549 --> 00:53:34,079
show

1306
00:53:38,470 --> 00:53:36,559
is um i have a friend who's he's

1307
00:53:41,829 --> 00:53:38,480
actually active on the antiques roadshow

1308
00:53:44,309 --> 00:53:41,839
and he had uh an absolute

1309
00:53:46,230 --> 00:53:44,319
incredible sighting in my opinion and

1310
00:53:49,109 --> 00:53:46,240
that's um he was at amherst

1311
00:53:50,630 --> 00:53:49,119
um college in massachusetts and they're

1312
00:53:52,710 --> 00:53:50,640
in the tower and this

1313
00:53:53,910 --> 00:53:52,720
thing came down there were four or five

1314
00:53:57,349 --> 00:53:53,920
of them in the same room

1315
00:53:59,270 --> 00:53:57,359
came down he said in the mall and was

1316
00:54:00,950 --> 00:53:59,280
up about on their floor about the 15th

1317
00:54:01,750 --> 00:54:00,960
floor or down a little bit i think he

1318
00:54:03,829 --> 00:54:01,760
said

1319
00:54:05,270 --> 00:54:03,839
and it was a shape of a box with lights

1320
00:54:07,030 --> 00:54:05,280
blinking all around it

1321
00:54:08,870 --> 00:54:07,040
and then it shot up toward the mountains

1322
00:54:09,990 --> 00:54:08,880
and then jets came and it burst into

1323
00:54:12,549 --> 00:54:10,000
five lights

1324
00:54:13,750 --> 00:54:12,559
and the lights made all these you know

1325
00:54:16,150 --> 00:54:13,760
synchronized

1326
00:54:17,589 --> 00:54:16,160
blinking and stuff and then it shot off

1327
00:54:20,790 --> 00:54:17,599
the lights all shot off and

1328
00:54:22,630 --> 00:54:20,800
with when the jet came and i said to him

1329
00:54:24,470 --> 00:54:22,640
i said isn't that the most crazy thing

1330
00:54:27,270 --> 00:54:24,480
that must totally change your life

1331
00:54:27,910 --> 00:54:27,280
and he goes i could give a you know what

1332
00:54:32,150 --> 00:54:27,920
right

1333
00:54:33,910 --> 00:54:32,160
so that's how different people are like

1334
00:54:35,510 --> 00:54:33,920
he just like it meant nothing to him

1335
00:54:36,950 --> 00:54:35,520
like i you know but that was kind of his

1336
00:54:39,270 --> 00:54:36,960
attitude about everything

1337
00:54:40,390 --> 00:54:39,280
um but still i thought it was a very

1338
00:54:43,109 --> 00:54:40,400
interesting attitude

1339
00:54:44,470 --> 00:54:43,119
i i actually have been working on the

1340
00:54:46,069 --> 00:54:44,480
subjects

1341
00:54:48,150 --> 00:54:46,079
this past year and we're going to be

1342
00:54:49,430 --> 00:54:48,160
talking about that but we do have to go

1343
00:54:50,549 --> 00:54:49,440
into break we're going to talk about

1344
00:54:52,309 --> 00:54:50,559
that right after break

1345
00:54:53,750 --> 00:54:52,319
and i did want to announce uh for those

1346
00:54:54,950 --> 00:54:53,760
of you in youtube

1347
00:54:56,950 --> 00:54:54,960
you're going to have a treat because

1348
00:54:58,789 --> 00:54:56,960
it's a little clip of a

1349
00:55:00,630 --> 00:54:58,799
interview that i did with selma siddiq

1350
00:55:03,670 --> 00:55:00,640
from the ariel

1351
00:55:05,349 --> 00:55:03,680
the ariel incident back in 1994

1352
00:55:07,349 --> 00:55:05,359
and we have a little clip of that and

1353
00:55:10,309 --> 00:55:07,359
for you those of you over at

1354
00:55:10,870 --> 00:55:10,319
kgra radio we'll be right back right

1355
00:55:16,309 --> 00:55:10,880
after

1356
00:55:24,150 --> 00:55:20,630
we were having our recess

1357
00:55:27,670 --> 00:55:24,160
i was 11 years old in a rural

1358
00:55:30,390 --> 00:55:27,680
town of zimbabwe called rua

1359
00:55:31,589 --> 00:55:30,400
the school used to be a farm so it was a

1360
00:55:33,910 --> 00:55:31,599
pretty rural school and

1361
00:55:35,109 --> 00:55:33,920
very small at the time it was very i'm

1362
00:55:36,870 --> 00:55:35,119
still fairly new

1363
00:55:38,710 --> 00:55:36,880
so i think randy randall told me that

1364
00:55:39,349 --> 00:55:38,720
they weren't they weren't more than 200

1365
00:55:41,270 --> 00:55:39,359
students

1366
00:55:43,349 --> 00:55:41,280
i thought it was three but i think it

1367
00:55:45,670 --> 00:55:43,359
was 280 or something

1368
00:55:47,270 --> 00:55:45,680
um oh there we go uh so not a lot so our

1369
00:55:51,589 --> 00:55:47,280
classes were pretty small

1370
00:55:54,230 --> 00:55:51,599
but we were having recess and um

1371
00:55:56,069 --> 00:55:54,240
i was with my usual friends as you do

1372
00:55:59,829 --> 00:55:56,079
we're eating our lunch and we saw

1373
00:56:02,870 --> 00:55:59,839
something shiny a ways away

1374
00:56:04,789 --> 00:56:02,880
in in the bush it was

1375
00:56:06,549 --> 00:56:04,799
pretty much bush uh because apart from

1376
00:56:08,150 --> 00:56:06,559
the playground it was all

1377
00:56:10,309 --> 00:56:08,160
it was it's a savannah region so there

1378
00:56:13,430 --> 00:56:10,319
was very tall grass

1379
00:56:15,109 --> 00:56:13,440
and a lot of trees and a lot of um

1380
00:56:17,270 --> 00:56:15,119
a lot of like copies which i guess are

1381
00:56:19,990 --> 00:56:17,280
like uh it's a very like a stoney hill

1382
00:56:21,670 --> 00:56:20,000
so a lot of granite rock um so we saw

1383
00:56:24,870 --> 00:56:21,680
something shiny

1384
00:56:26,150 --> 00:56:24,880
over on these copies and then it was

1385
00:56:27,750 --> 00:56:26,160
flashing you could see it

1386
00:56:29,430 --> 00:56:27,760
and you couldn't see it or it could have

1387
00:56:31,030 --> 00:56:29,440
actually been flashing we couldn't i

1388
00:56:33,190 --> 00:56:31,040
can't i still don't know today

1389
00:56:35,030 --> 00:56:33,200
but it was incredibly incredibly bright

1390
00:56:36,309 --> 00:56:35,040
um and very different from anything we

1391
00:56:39,510 --> 00:56:36,319
had seen before

1392
00:56:40,549 --> 00:56:39,520
and then um my friend who i was standing

1393
00:56:44,230 --> 00:56:40,559
next to

1394
00:56:46,230 --> 00:56:44,240
she and i saw um like

1395
00:56:47,990 --> 00:56:46,240
a being i guess and if there were

1396
00:56:49,990 --> 00:56:48,000
multiple beings

1397
00:56:51,829 --> 00:56:50,000
i don't know but they all looked exactly

1398
00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:51,839
the same and did you actually walk

1399
00:57:00,710 --> 00:56:53,040
toward

1400
00:57:01,430 --> 00:57:00,720
um the the barrier of the playground

1401
00:57:03,190 --> 00:57:01,440
which is

1402
00:57:04,630 --> 00:57:03,200
sort of where the beam was but not

1403
00:57:06,710 --> 00:57:04,640
crossed the barrier we didn't cross the

1404
00:57:08,230 --> 00:57:06,720
barrier so it was really a lot of

1405
00:57:09,349 --> 00:57:08,240
you know we were inquisitive what what

1406
00:57:09,990 --> 00:57:09,359
is this i don't know what this is and

1407
00:57:11,430 --> 00:57:10,000
it's sort of

1408
00:57:12,950 --> 00:57:11,440
you know any human being is going to try

1409
00:57:13,589 --> 00:57:12,960
and rationalize what it is that they're

1410
00:57:15,589 --> 00:57:13,599
seeing

1411
00:57:17,349 --> 00:57:15,599
and as an 11 year old we couldn't

1412
00:57:19,109 --> 00:57:17,359
couldn't really put into words what it

1413
00:57:22,230 --> 00:57:19,119
was we were seeing and trying to

1414
00:57:25,510 --> 00:57:22,240
justify it and so you know it was

1415
00:57:29,670 --> 00:57:25,520
uh very in like a human-esque form

1416
00:57:32,549 --> 00:57:29,680
but much shorter um

1417
00:57:34,150 --> 00:57:32,559
really big head really big eyes if it

1418
00:57:35,670 --> 00:57:34,160
did have a nose couldn't really see it

1419
00:57:38,549 --> 00:57:35,680
but also the the

1420
00:57:39,990 --> 00:57:38,559
the skin pigmentation was very very

1421
00:57:42,870 --> 00:57:40,000
different it was very odd it was

1422
00:57:43,829 --> 00:57:42,880
nothing like i'd ever seen before and

1423
00:57:47,270 --> 00:57:43,839
the closest

1424
00:57:49,109 --> 00:57:47,280
thing that i could um compare

1425
00:57:51,030 --> 00:57:49,119
what it was wearing would be something

1426
00:57:53,829 --> 00:57:51,040
like a scuba diving suit it was just

1427
00:57:57,349 --> 00:57:53,839
very form-fitting very black

1428
00:57:58,870 --> 00:57:57,359
shiny at times but i don't know if that

1429
00:58:00,549 --> 00:57:58,880
was just the sun it was a pretty

1430
00:58:01,910 --> 00:58:00,559
pretty warm day it was a beautiful day

1431
00:58:02,549 --> 00:58:01,920
every day is beautiful in zimbabwe

1432
00:58:04,710 --> 00:58:02,559
actually

1433
00:58:07,589 --> 00:58:04,720
um so it was it was just a very normal

1434
00:58:09,829 --> 00:58:07,599
day and then this happened

1435
00:58:10,630 --> 00:58:09,839
it was very very immense very intense

1436
00:58:12,710 --> 00:58:10,640
and

1437
00:58:14,150 --> 00:58:12,720
clearly has changed my life so in a

1438
00:58:16,630 --> 00:58:14,160
nutshell that's it yeah

1439
00:58:18,390 --> 00:58:16,640
did you did you walk away when this was

1440
00:58:21,030 --> 00:58:18,400
happening or did you stay there until

1441
00:58:21,510 --> 00:58:21,040
it walked away or turned away or went

1442
00:58:24,630 --> 00:58:21,520
away

1443
00:58:27,910 --> 00:58:24,640
yeah no i actually um

1444
00:58:29,910 --> 00:58:27,920
i actually broke my eye lock with it

1445
00:58:31,750 --> 00:58:29,920
because i wanted to go and check on my

1446
00:58:32,950 --> 00:58:31,760
brother and sister who were much younger

1447
00:58:34,069 --> 00:58:32,960
and playing in a different part of the

1448
00:58:36,309 --> 00:58:34,079
playground

1449
00:58:38,309 --> 00:58:36,319
because i felt that if i was afraid then

1450
00:58:39,670 --> 00:58:38,319
they must be terrified too

1451
00:58:42,069 --> 00:58:39,680
um but there are a lot of other things

1452
00:58:42,950 --> 00:58:42,079
that happen during this interlocking

1453
00:58:46,069 --> 00:58:42,960
moment

1454
00:58:49,670 --> 00:58:46,079
um that i go into in in my uh

1455
00:58:52,150 --> 00:58:49,680
piece tomorrow but once i let go

1456
00:58:53,670 --> 00:58:52,160
of my friend's hand and i disconnected

1457
00:58:54,870 --> 00:58:53,680
from that gaze which was not an easy

1458
00:58:57,109 --> 00:58:54,880
thing to do

1459
00:58:59,030 --> 00:58:57,119
at all i feel like it took every ounce

1460
00:59:13,750 --> 00:58:59,040
of of effort and energy from me and i

1461
00:59:24,630 --> 00:59:16,829
coming back in about 10 seconds martin

1462
00:59:31,349 --> 00:59:28,150
in three two one go

1463
00:59:32,230 --> 00:59:31,359
all right welcome back uh this is martin

1464
00:59:35,829 --> 00:59:32,240
willis

1465
00:59:37,829 --> 00:59:35,839
and i'm with my guest tim senor and uh

1466
00:59:38,870 --> 00:59:37,839
for those of you on youtube if you want

1467
00:59:41,030 --> 00:59:38,880
to watch that that's

1468
00:59:42,230 --> 00:59:41,040
that whole interview is on my channel

1469
00:59:44,950 --> 00:59:42,240
very interesting uh

1470
00:59:46,630 --> 00:59:44,960
very interesting interview and it has a

1471
00:59:47,109 --> 00:59:46,640
lot of views and that's just a clip of

1472
00:59:50,789 --> 00:59:47,119
it

1473
00:59:53,910 --> 00:59:50,799
so uh tim welcome back

1474
00:59:56,950 --> 00:59:53,920
and uh uh interesting uh

1475
00:59:57,589 --> 00:59:56,960
very interesting um sighting that you

1476
01:00:00,710 --> 00:59:57,599
had

1477
01:00:01,349 --> 01:00:00,720
and one that just seems like you know it

1478
01:00:04,950 --> 01:00:01,359
can't

1479
01:00:08,309 --> 01:00:04,960
did you

1480
01:00:09,430 --> 01:00:08,319
at any time um think about maybe putting

1481
01:00:11,510 --> 01:00:09,440
on your video

1482
01:00:12,630 --> 01:00:11,520
or you did actually video some of it is

1483
01:00:16,470 --> 01:00:12,640
that right

1484
01:00:18,390 --> 01:00:16,480
or not no

1485
01:00:20,630 --> 01:00:18,400
no there's there's no video to share at

1486
01:00:23,430 --> 01:00:20,640
this point um

1487
01:00:24,309 --> 01:00:23,440
so they're still investigating the case

1488
01:00:25,990 --> 01:00:24,319
and

1489
01:00:28,309 --> 01:00:26,000
mufon was pretty clear that there's a

1490
01:00:30,069 --> 01:00:28,319
lot of stuff i still

1491
01:00:33,589 --> 01:00:30,079
they would rather me not share because

1492
01:00:37,030 --> 01:00:33,599
it's property of mufon it's their data

1493
01:00:38,390 --> 01:00:37,040
um and so part of that might be their

1494
01:00:41,030 --> 01:00:38,400
review of that

1495
01:00:42,390 --> 01:00:41,040
data but everything that i can share i

1496
01:00:43,589 --> 01:00:42,400
want to share and as soon as it's

1497
01:00:46,549 --> 01:00:43,599
released and they've

1498
01:00:47,109 --> 01:00:46,559
cleared it to me or whatever uh entity

1499
01:00:49,030 --> 01:00:47,119
is

1500
01:00:51,030 --> 01:00:49,040
in control of that information as soon

1501
01:00:51,430 --> 01:00:51,040
as it's in the clear i will absolutely

1502
01:00:54,309 --> 01:00:51,440
share

1503
01:00:55,990 --> 01:00:54,319
anything i the whole reason i came out

1504
01:00:59,270 --> 01:00:56,000
this way was so that people could

1505
01:01:02,950 --> 01:00:59,280
see that there is a new story

1506
01:01:05,190 --> 01:01:02,960
that is much more recent than

1507
01:01:05,990 --> 01:01:05,200
some of the previous tic tac cases that

1508
01:01:08,309 --> 01:01:06,000
i'm aware of

1509
01:01:09,430 --> 01:01:08,319
i'm sure there are other sightings

1510
01:01:12,630 --> 01:01:09,440
however this one

1511
01:01:14,950 --> 01:01:12,640
is extremely dynamic i

1512
01:01:15,750 --> 01:01:14,960
felt that it needed to be put out in the

1513
01:01:19,589 --> 01:01:15,760
public eye

1514
01:01:22,710 --> 01:01:19,599
asap and would you say that

1515
01:01:25,349 --> 01:01:22,720
um how many um craft or

1516
01:01:25,750 --> 01:01:25,359
objects or whatever they were was it

1517
01:01:29,670 --> 01:01:25,760
just

1518
01:01:33,750 --> 01:01:29,680
to a disc and a single

1519
01:01:35,829 --> 01:01:33,760
uh so-called tic tac or cigar shaped

1520
01:01:37,190 --> 01:01:35,839
so there were two of them there was one

1521
01:01:39,990 --> 01:01:37,200
tic tac

1522
01:01:42,309 --> 01:01:40,000
yep coordinating in synchronicity with

1523
01:01:46,150 --> 01:01:42,319
two other objects

1524
01:01:49,750 --> 01:01:46,160
in finality three

1525
01:01:52,150 --> 01:01:49,760
so my last few photos show three discs

1526
01:01:55,750 --> 01:01:52,160
and one tic tac

1527
01:01:58,789 --> 01:01:55,760
three discs my hypothesis

1528
01:02:01,109 --> 01:01:58,799
is that that portal brought one more

1529
01:02:01,910 --> 01:02:01,119
in to coordinate with the others that

1530
01:02:05,510 --> 01:02:01,920
were traveling

1531
01:02:05,990 --> 01:02:05,520
south hypothetically if you look at the

1532
01:02:08,390 --> 01:02:06,000
photos

1533
01:02:10,950 --> 01:02:08,400
in sequence that's the event that takes

1534
01:02:12,950 --> 01:02:10,960
place there's two ships flying

1535
01:02:14,630 --> 01:02:12,960
in coordination with the tic-tac

1536
01:02:18,549 --> 01:02:14,640
traveling down

1537
01:02:21,270 --> 01:02:18,559
to west seattle the tic-tac

1538
01:02:23,510 --> 01:02:21,280
fires a beam hypothetically a second

1539
01:02:27,109 --> 01:02:23,520
time

1540
01:02:33,430 --> 01:02:30,549
allowing a third ship to join the group

1541
01:02:34,150 --> 01:02:33,440
at which point the tic tac and now three

1542
01:02:38,230 --> 01:02:34,160
ships

1543
01:02:39,750 --> 01:02:38,240
continue their direction some south uh

1544
01:02:41,589 --> 01:02:39,760
off in the distance where i was unable

1545
01:02:43,589 --> 01:02:41,599
to take any photos at that point

1546
01:02:45,109 --> 01:02:43,599
i'm gonna put a couple of um things up

1547
01:02:46,390 --> 01:02:45,119
here because people are making kind of a

1548
01:02:49,750 --> 01:02:46,400
good point here

1549
01:02:50,470 --> 01:02:49,760
um what uh and move on controlling the

1550
01:02:53,910 --> 01:02:50,480
narrative

1551
01:02:56,789 --> 01:02:53,920
that is the uh only because they

1552
01:02:58,309 --> 01:02:56,799
were very clear with me that they wanted

1553
01:02:59,510 --> 01:02:58,319
me to have the data because i'd been

1554
01:03:01,190 --> 01:02:59,520
asking for it

1555
01:03:04,309 --> 01:03:01,200
but they didn't want me to share it with

1556
01:03:06,950 --> 01:03:04,319
the public because it was mufon property

1557
01:03:07,510 --> 01:03:06,960
just their data the information that

1558
01:03:10,870 --> 01:03:07,520
they

1559
01:03:14,710 --> 01:03:10,880
things

1560
01:03:19,510 --> 01:03:14,720
correct correct so um any video

1561
01:03:21,829 --> 01:03:19,520
that i have absolutely will be shared

1562
01:03:23,750 --> 01:03:21,839
okay question any information i have

1563
01:03:25,349 --> 01:03:23,760
that is my property i will share

1564
01:03:27,430 --> 01:03:25,359
and at this point that's a hundred

1565
01:03:30,230 --> 01:03:27,440
percent of what i have

1566
01:03:32,789 --> 01:03:30,240
you have it and i'll share it mufon

1567
01:03:36,390 --> 01:03:32,799
wants to keep their data close to

1568
01:03:39,589 --> 01:03:36,400
uh you know themselves that's fine

1569
01:03:39,990 --> 01:03:39,599
um that was my frustration because what

1570
01:03:43,190 --> 01:03:40,000
next

1571
01:03:47,430 --> 01:03:43,200
so what now mufon um

1572
01:03:50,069 --> 01:03:47,440
i i was frustrated um i think

1573
01:03:50,870 --> 01:03:50,079
the big uh takeaway from that and this

1574
01:04:03,510 --> 01:03:50,880
was

1575
01:04:05,349 --> 01:04:03,520
some frustrating details but at the same

1576
01:04:09,190 --> 01:04:05,359
rate very supportive

1577
01:04:10,870 --> 01:04:09,200
um you know in corroborating

1578
01:04:12,870 --> 01:04:10,880
some of the information i was looking

1579
01:04:15,990 --> 01:04:12,880
for their math

1580
01:04:17,029 --> 01:04:16,000
and their physics their scientists that

1581
01:04:19,190 --> 01:04:17,039
they brought to the table

1582
01:04:20,549 --> 01:04:19,200
the fact that they could rule out

1583
01:04:22,710 --> 01:04:20,559
whether they could rule

1584
01:04:25,349 --> 01:04:22,720
out a lot of things that i wouldn't have

1585
01:04:28,630 --> 01:04:25,359
had access to made them

1586
01:04:33,510 --> 01:04:28,640
great they were great for the for

1587
01:04:35,270 --> 01:04:33,520
corroborating or for um

1588
01:04:37,510 --> 01:04:35,280
fact checking let's call it fact

1589
01:04:38,630 --> 01:04:37,520
checking to make sure that this was real

1590
01:04:48,230 --> 01:04:38,640
uap

1591
01:04:49,270 --> 01:04:48,240
insignia however it is still an ongoing

1592
01:04:55,910 --> 01:04:49,280
open case

1593
01:04:58,069 --> 01:04:55,920
but there's up to me to move

1594
01:04:59,750 --> 01:04:58,079
the case forward in any way i see fit at

1595
01:05:02,470 --> 01:04:59,760
this point because

1596
01:05:03,109 --> 01:05:02,480
um he said that that is that information

1597
01:05:06,230 --> 01:05:03,119
is made

1598
01:05:09,349 --> 01:05:06,240
available to their um

1599
01:05:12,789 --> 01:05:09,359
their representatives for their

1600
01:05:16,230 --> 01:05:12,799
people to if they choose uh

1601
01:05:19,349 --> 01:05:16,240
further research i see

1602
01:05:21,670 --> 01:05:19,359
uh-huh well um

1603
01:05:23,190 --> 01:05:21,680
so i i think it's it's something you

1604
01:05:24,789 --> 01:05:23,200
know you might

1605
01:05:26,710 --> 01:05:24,799
it's probably just one of these things

1606
01:05:29,109 --> 01:05:26,720
and you know a lot of people have

1607
01:05:30,150 --> 01:05:29,119
sightings that they just see and they

1608
01:05:35,750 --> 01:05:30,160
never

1609
01:05:37,750 --> 01:05:35,760
they just kind of like move on i'm new

1610
01:05:41,750 --> 01:05:37,760
to that organization and i sat

1611
01:05:44,470 --> 01:05:41,760
in on one of their live

1612
01:05:45,510 --> 01:05:44,480
talk talks they have i sat in on the

1613
01:05:47,510 --> 01:05:45,520
last one

1614
01:05:48,950 --> 01:05:47,520
and listened in they don't know anything

1615
01:05:53,190 --> 01:05:48,960
more than we do

1616
01:05:55,349 --> 01:05:53,200
their researchers

1617
01:05:56,630 --> 01:05:55,359
are highly skilled the people that

1618
01:05:59,109 --> 01:05:56,640
volunteer are

1619
01:06:00,230 --> 01:05:59,119
well educated the fact that they can do

1620
01:06:03,990 --> 01:06:00,240
our fact checking for us

1621
01:06:05,510 --> 01:06:04,000
is fantastic but if you want to take it

1622
01:06:07,029 --> 01:06:05,520
to the next level

1623
01:06:09,029 --> 01:06:07,039
that's it all they're going to do is

1624
01:06:10,230 --> 01:06:09,039
confirm whether

1625
01:06:11,829 --> 01:06:10,240
you know to explain it away because

1626
01:06:13,829 --> 01:06:11,839
they're there to close cases they want

1627
01:06:14,390 --> 01:06:13,839
to see if it's weather if it's weather

1628
01:06:18,470 --> 01:06:14,400
great

1629
01:06:19,109 --> 01:06:18,480
what they're there for but if they come

1630
01:06:22,309 --> 01:06:19,119
back

1631
01:06:24,870 --> 01:06:22,319
with that you're in the five percent but

1632
01:06:25,349 --> 01:06:24,880
now you're on your own because really

1633
01:06:27,990 --> 01:06:25,359
there's

1634
01:06:29,430 --> 01:06:28,000
no organization out there to take it to

1635
01:06:31,670 --> 01:06:29,440
the next level and if they

1636
01:06:32,549 --> 01:06:31,680
if there is they haven't gotten a hold

1637
01:06:35,589 --> 01:06:32,559
of me yet

1638
01:06:37,670 --> 01:06:35,599
and yeah i don't think that's

1639
01:06:40,549 --> 01:06:37,680
i don't think that's how that works i

1640
01:06:42,710 --> 01:06:40,559
don't think generally i have no idea

1641
01:06:43,990 --> 01:06:42,720
i'm just an open book all i did was see

1642
01:06:47,190 --> 01:06:44,000
something and photograph it

1643
01:06:47,990 --> 01:06:47,200
i really just someone asked if you had

1644
01:06:49,670 --> 01:06:48,000
contacted

1645
01:06:51,589 --> 01:06:49,680
i'll just answer the question i mean

1646
01:06:54,150 --> 01:06:51,599
i'll ask the question this way

1647
01:06:55,990 --> 01:06:54,160
was there anyone else besides move on

1648
01:06:59,510 --> 01:06:56,000
that you contacted about this

1649
01:07:01,589 --> 01:06:59,520
unfortunately not and i regret that

1650
01:07:03,109 --> 01:07:01,599
um i mean but i will tell you i will

1651
01:07:06,630 --> 01:07:03,119
tell you this

1652
01:07:08,549 --> 01:07:06,640
you can still contact um

1653
01:07:10,710 --> 01:07:08,559
you know the national ufo reporting

1654
01:07:11,589 --> 01:07:10,720
center peter davenport in the state of

1655
01:07:14,630 --> 01:07:11,599
washington

1656
01:07:16,390 --> 01:07:14,640
right and um and just tell them you did

1657
01:07:19,589 --> 01:07:16,400
already report it to move on but

1658
01:07:20,710 --> 01:07:19,599
um you feel like maybe what's the next

1659
01:07:22,950 --> 01:07:20,720
step though really martin

1660
01:07:23,829 --> 01:07:22,960
what can peter davenport do that mufon

1661
01:07:25,589 --> 01:07:23,839
hasn't

1662
01:07:27,109 --> 01:07:25,599
my well the only thing i'm thinking of

1663
01:07:29,430 --> 01:07:27,119
is maybe someone else saw this

1664
01:07:30,390 --> 01:07:29,440
spreading the net right spreading the

1665
01:07:34,789 --> 01:07:30,400
net

1666
01:07:36,950 --> 01:07:34,799
um for me personally um

1667
01:07:37,990 --> 01:07:36,960
i mean yeah you know what i i should and

1668
01:07:41,029 --> 01:07:38,000
i will

1669
01:07:44,230 --> 01:07:41,039
just to do that but at this point

1670
01:07:47,750 --> 01:07:44,240
i i know what we saw

1671
01:07:51,190 --> 01:07:47,760
um it's not explainable

1672
01:07:53,349 --> 01:07:51,200
it's it's it's in that realm and so

1673
01:07:55,190 --> 01:07:53,359
i'm convinced of that now you know and

1674
01:07:56,630 --> 01:07:55,200
i've had enough people to look at it

1675
01:07:58,470 --> 01:07:56,640
professionally to

1676
01:07:59,910 --> 01:07:58,480
say yeah that's something odd that's

1677
01:08:03,029 --> 01:07:59,920
really all i

1678
01:08:04,710 --> 01:08:03,039
needed at that point i'm totally cool

1679
01:08:07,750 --> 01:08:04,720
with taking the next steps of getting

1680
01:08:10,150 --> 01:08:07,760
some good interviews from my family

1681
01:08:13,190 --> 01:08:10,160
and making a case for it putting a

1682
01:08:15,029 --> 01:08:13,200
documentary together

1683
01:08:16,950 --> 01:08:15,039
you know and putting it out there for

1684
01:08:18,789 --> 01:08:16,960
free to people so they can see the full

1685
01:08:21,510 --> 01:08:18,799
interviews

1686
01:08:22,870 --> 01:08:21,520
and they can see all the data that i'm

1687
01:08:25,430 --> 01:08:22,880
allowed to release

1688
01:08:27,349 --> 01:08:25,440
they can see any video that there is and

1689
01:08:28,789 --> 01:08:27,359
all of that so the video is not good and

1690
01:08:31,189 --> 01:08:28,799
the video isn't going to help

1691
01:08:32,789 --> 01:08:31,199
i can tell you right now yeah it didn't

1692
01:08:34,149 --> 01:08:32,799
help and it hasn't helped me

1693
01:08:36,070 --> 01:08:34,159
that's the way it is a lot of times with

1694
01:08:37,349 --> 01:08:36,080
the video especially if you're doing it

1695
01:08:38,870 --> 01:08:37,359
on your phone

1696
01:08:40,470 --> 01:08:38,880
um i don't know is that what you used

1697
01:08:42,550 --> 01:08:40,480
your phone also yeah

1698
01:08:44,630 --> 01:08:42,560
yeah so that that's what it doesn't even

1699
01:08:48,070 --> 01:08:44,640
mention it because it's so frustrating

1700
01:08:51,110 --> 01:08:48,080
yeah um some odd little outside notes

1701
01:08:54,149 --> 01:08:51,120
on the recording of that i went through

1702
01:08:57,110 --> 01:08:54,159
later and edited

1703
01:08:57,829 --> 01:08:57,120
those videos those photo meaning that i

1704
01:08:59,669 --> 01:08:57,839
would delete

1705
01:09:01,189 --> 01:08:59,679
one i'd look at it and be like oh

1706
01:09:03,349 --> 01:09:01,199
there's nothing in that delete

1707
01:09:05,510 --> 01:09:03,359
and then realize later there could have

1708
01:09:08,229 --> 01:09:05,520
been information there

1709
01:09:09,510 --> 01:09:08,239
and it's like you're almost entranced to

1710
01:09:11,189 --> 01:09:09,520
delete the information

1711
01:09:12,709 --> 01:09:11,199
it was strange i almost got rid of

1712
01:09:14,229 --> 01:09:12,719
everything at one point fearing that it

1713
01:09:17,590 --> 01:09:14,239
was a military secret

1714
01:09:18,870 --> 01:09:17,600
do you have an iphone i do well it's too

1715
01:09:20,950 --> 01:09:18,880
late now but

1716
01:09:23,910 --> 01:09:20,960
this is the actual phone that i took

1717
01:09:26,229 --> 01:09:23,920
those photos with i still have it i've

1718
01:09:27,349 --> 01:09:26,239
upgraded since but i still have the

1719
01:09:31,590 --> 01:09:27,359
original

1720
01:09:33,510 --> 01:09:31,600
information

1721
01:09:34,789 --> 01:09:33,520
i've deleted all of the photos they're

1722
01:09:36,709 --> 01:09:34,799
all still there

1723
01:09:38,309 --> 01:09:36,719
yeah all the info is still there just a

1724
01:09:39,829 --> 01:09:38,319
little side note if you have an iphone

1725
01:09:43,430 --> 01:09:39,839
you delete a picture

1726
01:09:47,990 --> 01:09:43,440
you can go into albums and undelete

1727
01:09:51,189 --> 01:09:48,000
which i see yeah but it was this strange

1728
01:09:53,189 --> 01:09:51,199
mentality of just frustration of

1729
01:09:55,750 --> 01:09:53,199
delete delete you know what delete the

1730
01:09:57,430 --> 01:09:55,760
whole thing it's very strange

1731
01:09:59,430 --> 01:09:57,440
because you would say that you were

1732
01:10:01,510 --> 01:09:59,440
acting different than normal

1733
01:10:03,189 --> 01:10:01,520
i don't do that that's something i don't

1734
01:10:05,510 --> 01:10:03,199
edit my

1735
01:10:08,070 --> 01:10:05,520
my photos i've got thousands of horrible

1736
01:10:13,270 --> 01:10:11,189
doesn't matter to me for some reason

1737
01:10:14,870 --> 01:10:13,280
i found myself doing that and in fact

1738
01:10:16,630 --> 01:10:14,880
even in the past

1739
01:10:18,630 --> 01:10:16,640
when i've had strange photos of things

1740
01:10:20,470 --> 01:10:18,640
in the sky i don't know if they were

1741
01:10:23,750 --> 01:10:20,480
real or not but i deleted them

1742
01:10:25,830 --> 01:10:23,760
why why did i do that

1743
01:10:27,750 --> 01:10:25,840
strange i know i'm not alone on that

1744
01:10:29,110 --> 01:10:27,760
i've heard of people destroying evidence

1745
01:10:32,149 --> 01:10:29,120
before

1746
01:10:34,470 --> 01:10:32,159
yeah um well okay well

1747
01:10:36,229 --> 01:10:34,480
i would like to now if it's if you're

1748
01:10:38,470 --> 01:10:36,239
right with it if we can

1749
01:10:40,790 --> 01:10:38,480
move on and talk about kind of a

1750
01:10:43,110 --> 01:10:40,800
synchronicity that you had happen

1751
01:10:45,270 --> 01:10:43,120
um because you're also a producer

1752
01:10:49,189 --> 01:10:45,280
correct and you were contacted about

1753
01:10:52,470 --> 01:10:49,199
doing a show on ufos

1754
01:10:54,550 --> 01:10:52,480
it's not in my resume uh at all

1755
01:10:55,990 --> 01:10:54,560
i do music video boards and i do

1756
01:10:57,910 --> 01:10:56,000
commercials

1757
01:10:59,189 --> 01:10:57,920
but i was approached to do a ufo

1758
01:11:03,350 --> 01:10:59,199
documentary

1759
01:11:06,550 --> 01:11:03,360
and in fact um to do a yearly annual

1760
01:11:07,590 --> 01:11:06,560
documentary so um it's kind of a

1761
01:11:11,110 --> 01:11:07,600
sequential

1762
01:11:12,149 --> 01:11:11,120
hour to two hour show called ufo project

1763
01:11:14,149 --> 01:11:12,159
2021

1764
01:11:16,070 --> 01:11:14,159
and it's in the works right now and my

1765
01:11:17,990 --> 01:11:16,080
case is going to be in there

1766
01:11:20,390 --> 01:11:18,000
in the first documentary and i'm going

1767
01:11:23,430 --> 01:11:20,400
to include everything i can

1768
01:11:24,550 --> 01:11:23,440
um and when can we look for the that to

1769
01:11:26,470 --> 01:11:24,560
be actually

1770
01:11:28,149 --> 01:11:26,480
out and where will people actually find

1771
01:11:30,630 --> 01:11:28,159
it i'll update you it's going to be

1772
01:11:32,470 --> 01:11:30,640
released for free um and it'll be on

1773
01:11:36,950 --> 01:11:32,480
network telly

1774
01:11:39,350 --> 01:11:36,960
i thought this was something i hadn't

1775
01:11:42,070 --> 01:11:39,360
heard of yeah okay yeah no

1776
01:11:43,510 --> 01:11:42,080
um yeah i'll make it free for everyone

1777
01:11:46,310 --> 01:11:43,520
um

1778
01:11:46,950 --> 01:11:46,320
so this project is incredible actually

1779
01:11:50,790 --> 01:11:46,960
um

1780
01:11:54,390 --> 01:11:50,800
so coming into this

1781
01:11:56,950 --> 01:11:54,400
um as a non-believer

1782
01:11:58,470 --> 01:11:56,960
if you will i was offered this position

1783
01:12:00,149 --> 01:11:58,480
because they wanted somebody that would

1784
01:12:02,550 --> 01:12:00,159
be able to actually

1785
01:12:03,990 --> 01:12:02,560
kind of just document and not have an

1786
01:12:04,870 --> 01:12:04,000
opinion obviously that's the way that

1787
01:12:07,430 --> 01:12:04,880
works

1788
01:12:08,870 --> 01:12:07,440
um and so coming across some of the

1789
01:12:12,149 --> 01:12:08,880
stories that i found

1790
01:12:14,470 --> 01:12:12,159
just here locally um

1791
01:12:15,750 --> 01:12:14,480
some pretty incredible corroborating

1792
01:12:19,110 --> 01:12:15,760
information as far as

1793
01:12:22,149 --> 01:12:19,120
portals go uh

1794
01:12:26,149 --> 01:12:22,159
some great video of um

1795
01:12:29,430 --> 01:12:26,159
electrical storms that seem to

1796
01:12:31,510 --> 01:12:29,440
be creating portals

1797
01:12:32,470 --> 01:12:31,520
or if if you're a believer of this sort

1798
01:12:35,590 --> 01:12:32,480
of thing

1799
01:12:38,630 --> 01:12:35,600
and so here's uh we'll just

1800
01:12:39,270 --> 01:12:38,640
go through these uh these are photos

1801
01:12:42,390 --> 01:12:39,280
taken

1802
01:12:44,070 --> 01:12:42,400
in low light of an electrical storm here

1803
01:12:47,270 --> 01:12:44,080
in oregon

1804
01:12:49,110 --> 01:12:47,280
and it appears in some of the photos

1805
01:12:52,310 --> 01:12:49,120
there's lightning strikes that actually

1806
01:12:54,390 --> 01:12:52,320
form you can see down the lower portion

1807
01:12:57,510 --> 01:12:54,400
there a triangle

1808
01:13:01,189 --> 01:12:57,520
in the bolt

1809
01:13:03,669 --> 01:13:01,199
so the video that this is taken from

1810
01:13:05,030 --> 01:13:03,679
all of this was silent you can hear the

1811
01:13:08,149 --> 01:13:05,040
people talking but you

1812
01:13:08,550 --> 01:13:08,159
don't hear any thunderclap and this was

1813
01:13:17,189 --> 01:13:08,560
in

1814
01:13:20,310 --> 01:13:17,199
would go from blue to

1815
01:13:21,430 --> 01:13:20,320
pink and form shapes you can see a

1816
01:13:24,550 --> 01:13:21,440
triangle here

1817
01:13:27,189 --> 01:13:24,560
and then in the very next sequence

1818
01:13:29,030 --> 01:13:27,199
uh a portion of a second later after

1819
01:13:32,229 --> 01:13:29,040
this clap of lightning

1820
01:13:33,030 --> 01:13:32,239
if you move on to the next yeah they

1821
01:13:36,630 --> 01:13:33,040
didn't they didn't

1822
01:13:38,550 --> 01:13:36,640
download right so okay the next still

1823
01:13:41,750 --> 01:13:38,560
actually shows a large

1824
01:13:44,709 --> 01:13:41,760
shape coming through that location

1825
01:13:46,229 --> 01:13:44,719
right where the triangle is i'll try to

1826
01:13:49,189 --> 01:13:46,239
i'll try to get those up but

1827
01:13:50,709 --> 01:13:49,199
um so this was taken you actually saw

1828
01:13:53,750 --> 01:13:50,719
the the original video

1829
01:13:55,910 --> 01:13:53,760
yep yep we have the original video it's

1830
01:13:59,270 --> 01:13:55,920
high definition it's beautiful

1831
01:14:02,709 --> 01:13:59,280
and this is a still taken from it

1832
01:14:04,310 --> 01:14:02,719
and it's just very odd it's one of those

1833
01:14:07,189 --> 01:14:04,320
things where you're kind of in a little

1834
01:14:10,390 --> 01:14:07,199
bit of disbelief and you're like no way

1835
01:14:11,110 --> 01:14:10,400
no way i don't know if this yeah this is

1836
01:14:12,870 --> 01:14:11,120
another

1837
01:14:14,790 --> 01:14:12,880
that's that's part of the same sequence

1838
01:14:16,310 --> 01:14:14,800
so you can kind of see

1839
01:14:17,990 --> 01:14:16,320
that this all just took place in this

1840
01:14:21,030 --> 01:14:18,000
guy's backyard

1841
01:14:21,830 --> 01:14:21,040
and this thing just pops in um in the

1842
01:14:23,590 --> 01:14:21,840
next

1843
01:14:26,149 --> 01:14:23,600
photos if you do have them they're a

1844
01:14:27,350 --> 01:14:26,159
little bit dark there's one that shows a

1845
01:14:30,550 --> 01:14:27,360
halo

1846
01:14:32,070 --> 01:14:30,560
that's not it yeah um yeah i'm

1847
01:14:33,350 --> 01:14:32,080
having a good time they didn't all come

1848
01:14:33,990 --> 01:14:33,360
they didn't all come through for some

1849
01:14:35,830 --> 01:14:34,000
reason so

1850
01:14:37,270 --> 01:14:35,840
in the next secret next shot there's a

1851
01:14:40,870 --> 01:14:37,280
large halo

1852
01:14:44,070 --> 01:14:40,880
around that uh pink lightning

1853
01:14:48,470 --> 01:14:44,080
and then in the very next shot it's

1854
01:14:52,070 --> 01:14:48,480
all you can see is a large very large

1855
01:14:53,830 --> 01:14:52,080
disc coming up at an angle kind of

1856
01:14:56,470 --> 01:14:53,840
in the next photo unfortunately do you

1857
01:14:59,990 --> 01:14:56,480
have the next one um

1858
01:15:02,709 --> 01:15:00,000
it's uh is there some blue to it yeah

1859
01:15:03,990 --> 01:15:02,719
absolutely i'll try to get that up okay

1860
01:15:07,189 --> 01:15:04,000
um

1861
01:15:10,709 --> 01:15:07,199
and so it looks like

1862
01:15:15,990 --> 01:15:10,719
this ginormous saucer

1863
01:15:19,270 --> 01:15:18,630
and is that what happened afterwards i

1864
01:15:21,669 --> 01:15:19,280
mean this

1865
01:15:22,790 --> 01:15:21,679
to me it looks like it's all part of an

1866
01:15:26,070 --> 01:15:22,800
electrical

1867
01:15:28,229 --> 01:15:26,080
situation but right right and then it

1868
01:15:30,630 --> 01:15:28,239
just goes silent there's no thunderclap

1869
01:15:31,270 --> 01:15:30,640
it's very strange um there's no ship

1870
01:15:35,590 --> 01:15:31,280
present

1871
01:15:38,950 --> 01:15:35,600
after this so um if there is something

1872
01:15:41,830 --> 01:15:38,960
coming in or out it was not visible

1873
01:15:42,550 --> 01:15:41,840
to is this the image up there now

1874
01:15:44,470 --> 01:15:42,560
there's

1875
01:15:46,790 --> 01:15:44,480
that halo so that's kind of like there

1876
01:15:50,870 --> 01:15:46,800
was an explosion kind of pop

1877
01:15:53,669 --> 01:15:50,880
a silent visual pop if you will

1878
01:15:55,830 --> 01:15:53,679
and then in the following photo it kind

1879
01:15:58,870 --> 01:15:55,840
of gets a little dark but you can see

1880
01:16:01,110 --> 01:15:58,880
a saucer shape yeah

1881
01:16:02,310 --> 01:16:01,120
i apologize for the people on youtube oh

1882
01:16:04,070 --> 01:16:02,320
no that's my

1883
01:16:05,430 --> 01:16:04,080
probably their photos and their big

1884
01:16:07,990 --> 01:16:05,440
files

1885
01:16:08,870 --> 01:16:08,000
yeah i can't i can't uh can't get that

1886
01:16:11,750 --> 01:16:08,880
but anyway

1887
01:16:12,630 --> 01:16:11,760
uh sounds interesting the ones that will

1888
01:16:16,070 --> 01:16:12,640
be featured in

1889
01:16:20,229 --> 01:16:16,080
this uh right will be all stuff that's

1890
01:16:23,590 --> 01:16:20,239
taken place um on the west coast in

1891
01:16:24,950 --> 01:16:23,600
2019 and 2020 and we're going to be

1892
01:16:27,430 --> 01:16:24,960
putting that out this year

1893
01:16:28,790 --> 01:16:27,440
this is just one case we have multiple i

1894
01:16:32,830 --> 01:16:28,800
also have

1895
01:16:35,430 --> 01:16:32,840
some first-hand witnesses that have had

1896
01:16:38,790 --> 01:16:35,440
um actual

1897
01:16:42,709 --> 01:16:38,800
alien interactions supposedly with

1898
01:16:43,350 --> 01:16:42,719
portals again so um an important feature

1899
01:16:44,709 --> 01:16:43,360
to this

1900
01:16:47,669 --> 01:16:44,719
project is that you have to have some

1901
01:16:51,830 --> 01:16:47,679
video or film documentation

1902
01:16:53,669 --> 01:16:51,840
so everything that we put into this will

1903
01:16:56,630 --> 01:16:53,679
have some documentation to it

1904
01:16:57,189 --> 01:16:56,640
and be able to be you know looked at and

1905
01:17:00,470 --> 01:16:57,199
how do you

1906
01:17:03,350 --> 01:17:00,480
find these things do you work

1907
01:17:05,669 --> 01:17:03,360
who do you work with to find i can't

1908
01:17:08,070 --> 01:17:05,679
tell you that

1909
01:17:09,270 --> 01:17:08,080
you have to convert my own resources um

1910
01:17:12,310 --> 01:17:09,280
i actually just

1911
01:17:16,630 --> 01:17:12,320
when i was assigned the project um i

1912
01:17:19,830 --> 01:17:16,640
was given a couple of witnesses and then

1913
01:17:23,590 --> 01:17:19,840
i think i posted somewhere

1914
01:17:24,229 --> 01:17:23,600
uh i think like facebook or something

1915
01:17:26,470 --> 01:17:24,239
like that

1916
01:17:28,390 --> 01:17:26,480
i'm not sure where i had some assistance

1917
01:17:31,830 --> 01:17:28,400
that potentially helped me

1918
01:17:35,270 --> 01:17:31,840
do some of that pr but um

1919
01:17:38,550 --> 01:17:35,280
we definitely reviewed a lot of cases um

1920
01:17:41,669 --> 01:17:38,560
the big factor is to have some film

1921
01:17:45,750 --> 01:17:41,679
or video or photo

1922
01:17:46,790 --> 01:17:45,760
evidence because it's the story is a

1923
01:17:49,750 --> 01:17:46,800
story

1924
01:17:50,550 --> 01:17:49,760
and i i say this all the time now

1925
01:17:53,510 --> 01:17:50,560
because

1926
01:17:55,430 --> 01:17:53,520
i've really been inundated with a lot of

1927
01:17:57,590 --> 01:17:55,440
people that have great stories

1928
01:17:58,470 --> 01:17:57,600
and stories are fantastic and i believe

1929
01:18:01,669 --> 01:17:58,480
you

1930
01:18:03,669 --> 01:18:01,679
but

1931
01:18:04,790 --> 01:18:03,679
without something photographic it's hard

1932
01:18:06,790 --> 01:18:04,800
to revisit and

1933
01:18:08,310 --> 01:18:06,800
it's hard to even get the details right

1934
01:18:11,030 --> 01:18:08,320
if i didn't have the photos from my

1935
01:18:12,790 --> 01:18:11,040
sighting i might forget parts

1936
01:18:15,110 --> 01:18:12,800
honestly and i feel like the way the

1937
01:18:17,189 --> 01:18:15,120
phenomenon works it wants you to forget

1938
01:18:18,630 --> 01:18:17,199
like it doesn't want to be recalled it

1939
01:18:19,270 --> 01:18:18,640
doesn't want to be photographed anyone

1940
01:18:21,510 --> 01:18:19,280
that has

1941
01:18:23,270 --> 01:18:21,520
this experience will understand kind of

1942
01:18:24,550 --> 01:18:23,280
what i'm saying it's a very strange

1943
01:18:28,630 --> 01:18:24,560
feeling it's almost

1944
01:18:30,229 --> 01:18:28,640
like either an obsession or a brainwash

1945
01:18:31,669 --> 01:18:30,239
and there doesn't seem like there's any

1946
01:18:34,630 --> 01:18:31,679
in between

1947
01:18:36,229 --> 01:18:34,640
because not every family member that

1948
01:18:39,270 --> 01:18:36,239
witnessed my sighting had

1949
01:18:42,470 --> 01:18:39,280
the same recollection or

1950
01:18:42,950 --> 01:18:42,480
the same ability to recall um the same

1951
01:18:44,390 --> 01:18:42,960
way

1952
01:18:45,750 --> 01:18:44,400
they'll all tell you that it happened

1953
01:18:46,310 --> 01:18:45,760
they'll all tell you that they saw

1954
01:18:47,750 --> 01:18:46,320
something

1955
01:18:51,669 --> 01:18:47,760
and their recollections will all be

1956
01:18:54,390 --> 01:18:51,679
different yeah and i know i think um

1957
01:18:55,750 --> 01:18:54,400
i mentioned off off air that if it ever

1958
01:18:59,590 --> 01:18:55,760
happens again it's a good

1959
01:19:03,990 --> 01:18:59,600
a good lesson for anyone out there is um

1960
01:19:05,910 --> 01:19:04,000
for um if there's multiple witnesses

1961
01:19:07,350 --> 01:19:05,920
for and for anyone even if you're

1962
01:19:09,189 --> 01:19:07,360
witnessing a loan

1963
01:19:10,790 --> 01:19:09,199
is to stop everything you're doing go

1964
01:19:13,590 --> 01:19:10,800
somewhere quiet and write

1965
01:19:15,030 --> 01:19:13,600
down exactly everything you possibly can

1966
01:19:16,709 --> 01:19:15,040
about what you saw

1967
01:19:18,630 --> 01:19:16,719
and when there's multiple witnesses and

1968
01:19:20,470 --> 01:19:18,640
everyone goes off their own way

1969
01:19:22,790 --> 01:19:20,480
it doesn't say a word to each other and

1970
01:19:25,910 --> 01:19:22,800
writes it all down then you have

1971
01:19:27,270 --> 01:19:25,920
accuracy um and you have to right away

1972
01:19:30,390 --> 01:19:27,280
while it's fresh

1973
01:19:32,790 --> 01:19:30,400
and otherwise your memory changes

1974
01:19:34,149 --> 01:19:32,800
you know and like it's very obvious what

1975
01:19:37,350 --> 01:19:34,159
you're talking about

1976
01:19:39,270 --> 01:19:37,360
your whole family um all think

1977
01:19:41,189 --> 01:19:39,280
you know i mean they're not they're not

1978
01:19:44,470 --> 01:19:41,199
making much of it

1979
01:19:46,630 --> 01:19:44,480
like like you are but also um

1980
01:19:48,950 --> 01:19:46,640
some of them are forgetting totally that

1981
01:19:51,590 --> 01:19:48,960
even happened

1982
01:19:52,950 --> 01:19:51,600
and filed away somehow i think a big

1983
01:19:54,550 --> 01:19:52,960
portion of that was just complete

1984
01:19:57,830 --> 01:19:54,560
acceptance of it

1985
01:19:59,750 --> 01:19:57,840
once um i told them about it i was like

1986
01:20:01,270 --> 01:19:59,760
you know mufon came back with this being

1987
01:20:04,310 --> 01:20:01,280
a real uap

1988
01:20:05,430 --> 01:20:04,320
they were like oh cool and that was kind

1989
01:20:08,950 --> 01:20:05,440
of it

1990
01:20:11,750 --> 01:20:08,960
um there wasn't like a

1991
01:20:13,110 --> 01:20:11,760
i guess a big response is it that not

1992
01:20:15,430 --> 01:20:13,120
big of a deal that there could

1993
01:20:18,149 --> 01:20:15,440
potentially be alien life here i

1994
01:20:19,110 --> 01:20:18,159
i thought that was a big deal yeah you

1995
01:20:21,990 --> 01:20:19,120
know

1996
01:20:23,350 --> 01:20:22,000
it's a little strange um because really

1997
01:20:25,270 --> 01:20:23,360
at the time

1998
01:20:27,510 --> 01:20:25,280
when we were doing the math everyone was

1999
01:20:28,070 --> 01:20:27,520
excited everyone was excited at the

2000
01:20:30,550 --> 01:20:28,080
table

2001
01:20:31,110 --> 01:20:30,560
when they were recalling things freshly

2002
01:20:34,310 --> 01:20:31,120
yeah

2003
01:20:36,390 --> 01:20:34,320
then that just dissipated so rapidly

2004
01:20:37,430 --> 01:20:36,400
so rapidly and i feel like there is

2005
01:20:40,070 --> 01:20:37,440
definitely

2006
01:20:40,950 --> 01:20:40,080
like a mental knock-on effect from a

2007
01:20:43,990 --> 01:20:40,960
sighting

2008
01:20:44,790 --> 01:20:44,000
where you personally probably interpret

2009
01:20:46,390 --> 01:20:44,800
it and then just

2010
01:20:48,550 --> 01:20:46,400
box it up either you're cool with

2011
01:20:53,510 --> 01:20:48,560
thinking about it a lot it's like

2012
01:20:57,669 --> 01:20:53,520
wow or you're like

2013
01:21:00,870 --> 01:20:57,679
it's not possible and so disregard

2014
01:21:02,709 --> 01:21:00,880
perhaps um and then perhaps there's

2015
01:21:06,149 --> 01:21:02,719
another one where it's just like that

2016
01:21:10,550 --> 01:21:06,159
is just too much for me you know

2017
01:21:13,990 --> 01:21:10,560
yeah and i mean that's a big thought

2018
01:21:16,870 --> 01:21:14,000
to really admit to yourself that

2019
01:21:18,470 --> 01:21:16,880
we're being visited that's a really big

2020
01:21:21,110 --> 01:21:18,480
statement

2021
01:21:22,709 --> 01:21:21,120
um because i'm all about life in the

2022
01:21:25,510 --> 01:21:22,719
universe definitely

2023
01:21:26,070 --> 01:21:25,520
absolutely but the travel part is the

2024
01:21:27,750 --> 01:21:26,080
part

2025
01:21:29,350 --> 01:21:27,760
you know the getting here that's always

2026
01:21:32,470 --> 01:21:29,360
the hold up um

2027
01:21:33,189 --> 01:21:32,480
you know and i've you know maybe i've

2028
01:21:36,390 --> 01:21:33,199
said this

2029
01:21:37,270 --> 01:21:36,400
before you know maybe who if we are

2030
01:21:40,229 --> 01:21:37,280
being visited

2031
01:21:42,229 --> 01:21:40,239
from elsewhere wherever that elsewhere

2032
01:21:43,750 --> 01:21:42,239
is maybe they've figured out something

2033
01:21:44,470 --> 01:21:43,760
about physics that we haven't figured

2034
01:21:47,590 --> 01:21:44,480
out yet

2035
01:21:48,470 --> 01:21:47,600
or something like that yeah i'm opening

2036
01:21:52,149 --> 01:21:48,480
the lines

2037
01:21:54,070 --> 01:21:52,159
uh now so anyone can call in and uh

2038
01:21:55,430 --> 01:21:54,080
if you have a question for our guest and

2039
01:21:58,229 --> 01:21:55,440
that um

2040
01:21:59,750 --> 01:21:58,239
actually i'd like to do something a

2041
01:22:00,390 --> 01:21:59,760
little different here if it's okay with

2042
01:22:01,750 --> 01:22:00,400
you

2043
01:22:03,669 --> 01:22:01,760
if someone would like to talk about

2044
01:22:05,990 --> 01:22:03,679
their own sighting

2045
01:22:06,790 --> 01:22:06,000
i think uh and share it with us i think

2046
01:22:08,390 --> 01:22:06,800
that would also

2047
01:22:09,990 --> 01:22:08,400
be good if uh if you didn't have a

2048
01:22:12,070 --> 01:22:10,000
direct question

2049
01:22:13,590 --> 01:22:12,080
for our guest and bill bill is waiting

2050
01:22:15,430 --> 01:22:13,600
by and screening calls

2051
01:22:17,669 --> 01:22:15,440
so again that number is eight five five

2052
01:22:20,470 --> 01:22:17,679
or did i say it at all eight five five

2053
01:22:21,110 --> 01:22:20,480
four seven two five four eight three and

2054
01:22:24,550 --> 01:22:21,120
uh

2055
01:22:25,990 --> 01:22:24,560
bill is standing by also martin i was

2056
01:22:26,950 --> 01:22:26,000
going to add to that if people are

2057
01:22:29,270 --> 01:22:26,960
interested

2058
01:22:31,110 --> 01:22:29,280
in getting involved with the ufo project

2059
01:22:34,310 --> 01:22:31,120
that i'm putting together

2060
01:22:36,629 --> 01:22:34,320
and you have data to share

2061
01:22:37,590 --> 01:22:36,639
they can get in contact and if with your

2062
01:22:40,790 --> 01:22:37,600
permission i'll give an

2063
01:22:42,629 --> 01:22:40,800
email address okay i did have someone

2064
01:22:45,590 --> 01:22:42,639
that had uh quite an interesting

2065
01:22:48,550 --> 01:22:45,600
sighting okay that uh has contacted me

2066
01:22:49,430 --> 01:22:48,560
and uh oh you know what i don't think

2067
01:22:51,030 --> 01:22:49,440
they have a picture

2068
01:22:53,030 --> 01:22:51,040
i don't think they have i think they

2069
01:22:54,310 --> 01:22:53,040
made a rendition of what they saw i

2070
01:22:57,510 --> 01:22:54,320
think that's what it is

2071
01:23:00,229 --> 01:22:57,520
yeah it's so rare martin

2072
01:23:01,990 --> 01:23:00,239
yeah photographs and video is rare and

2073
01:23:02,470 --> 01:23:02,000
so the stuff that i've managed to come

2074
01:23:04,229 --> 01:23:02,480
up with

2075
01:23:05,910 --> 01:23:04,239
is incredible and the fact that i was

2076
01:23:07,110 --> 01:23:05,920
able to photograph something personally

2077
01:23:10,149 --> 01:23:07,120
was incredible

2078
01:23:11,270 --> 01:23:10,159
yeah um because that you even thought to

2079
01:23:14,790 --> 01:23:11,280
do it is incredibly

2080
01:23:17,030 --> 01:23:14,800
fast it was so fast and you could have

2081
01:23:19,270 --> 01:23:17,040
looked right at it and not seen it

2082
01:23:21,189 --> 01:23:19,280
which was the other really strange thing

2083
01:23:24,070 --> 01:23:21,199
because the tic tac

2084
01:23:25,350 --> 01:23:24,080
unless i had been looking for it i

2085
01:23:27,830 --> 01:23:25,360
wouldn't have seen it it was the same

2086
01:23:30,310 --> 01:23:27,840
color as the background practically

2087
01:23:31,030 --> 01:23:30,320
um and that could definitely be why

2088
01:23:34,470 --> 01:23:31,040
these things

2089
01:23:38,229 --> 01:23:34,480
aren't noticed i'm sure

2090
01:23:40,550 --> 01:23:38,239
it's happening all the time now

2091
01:23:43,669 --> 01:23:40,560
that i've seen this i'm sure it's

2092
01:23:47,030 --> 01:23:43,679
happening all the time

2093
01:23:49,189 --> 01:23:47,040
i don't think that necessarily it shows

2094
01:23:51,590 --> 01:23:49,199
up on radar all the time

2095
01:23:52,310 --> 01:23:51,600
um i know that it has i know that the

2096
01:23:55,990 --> 01:23:52,320
data isn't

2097
01:23:59,270 --> 01:23:56,000
there you know um in previous cases

2098
01:24:02,950 --> 01:23:59,280
and with nimitz but um

2099
01:24:04,229 --> 01:24:02,960
i don't think that case really was like

2100
01:24:05,910 --> 01:24:04,239
nimitz in any

2101
01:24:09,030 --> 01:24:05,920
way other than that it involved a tic

2102
01:24:11,510 --> 01:24:09,040
tac i mean

2103
01:24:12,310 --> 01:24:11,520
it was incredible to think that just to

2104
01:24:15,669 --> 01:24:12,320
think that

2105
01:24:17,990 --> 01:24:15,679
it was a tic tac creating a

2106
01:24:19,910 --> 01:24:18,000
i think is the hardest portion of this

2107
01:24:21,910 --> 01:24:19,920
really to take away

2108
01:24:23,510 --> 01:24:21,920
because um i would have been fine

2109
01:24:26,950 --> 01:24:23,520
thinking i'd just seen a space

2110
01:24:28,709 --> 01:24:26,960
ship or a tic tac

2111
01:24:30,149 --> 01:24:28,719
or anything i probably wouldn't be

2112
01:24:32,629 --> 01:24:30,159
talking to you right now

2113
01:24:35,110 --> 01:24:32,639
but the fact is that it performs

2114
01:24:37,110 --> 01:24:35,120
something that

2115
01:24:39,189 --> 01:24:37,120
we need to be knowing we need to pay

2116
01:24:43,189 --> 01:24:39,199
attention to that

2117
01:24:46,310 --> 01:24:43,199
because that now proves that this is not

2118
01:24:50,390 --> 01:24:46,320
a man-made object this is not an

2119
01:24:53,910 --> 01:24:50,400
earth-origin craft

2120
01:24:55,910 --> 01:24:53,920
we don't have that technology so

2121
01:24:57,430 --> 01:24:55,920
my father was involved in some of this

2122
01:24:59,270 --> 01:24:57,440
stuff through xerox and they

2123
01:25:00,950 --> 01:24:59,280
had some pretty incredible stuff in the

2124
01:25:03,669 --> 01:25:00,960
80s

2125
01:25:07,110 --> 01:25:03,679
but there's no way that we have the

2126
01:25:10,390 --> 01:25:07,120
ability to fire a laser

2127
01:25:13,669 --> 01:25:10,400
in that capacity to

2128
01:25:15,910 --> 01:25:13,679
perform any kind of light

2129
01:25:17,590 --> 01:25:15,920
anomaly in the sky we don't have

2130
01:25:20,149 --> 01:25:17,600
controlled lasers they don't

2131
01:25:22,550 --> 01:25:20,159
end at a distance you can't calculate it

2132
01:25:25,189 --> 01:25:22,560
since for a laser it's ongoing

2133
01:25:27,270 --> 01:25:25,199
just there's a lot of science there that

2134
01:25:30,310 --> 01:25:27,280
you're looking at with your eyes

2135
01:25:31,990 --> 01:25:30,320
and you know is impossible yeah

2136
01:25:33,350 --> 01:25:32,000
and it's incredible to think about and

2137
01:25:34,550 --> 01:25:33,360
that's the big takeaway i want your

2138
01:25:37,910 --> 01:25:34,560
audience to know

2139
01:25:42,149 --> 01:25:37,920
and to kind of contemplate would be that

2140
01:25:45,830 --> 01:25:42,159
this could potentially explain what

2141
01:25:47,990 --> 01:25:45,840
these tic tac uaps

2142
01:25:49,030 --> 01:25:48,000
are and what they're doing because if

2143
01:25:52,070 --> 01:25:49,040
you look back

2144
01:25:54,310 --> 01:25:52,080
at fraver's case is that his name

2145
01:25:55,189 --> 01:25:54,320
david fraver david fravor's case with

2146
01:25:56,950 --> 01:25:55,199
the tic tac

2147
01:25:58,629 --> 01:25:56,960
it was hovering over something in the

2148
01:26:03,510 --> 01:25:58,639
ocean

2149
01:26:05,830 --> 01:26:03,520
perhaps performing some sort of whatever

2150
01:26:07,030 --> 01:26:05,840
same sort of thing we saw coordinating

2151
01:26:09,430 --> 01:26:07,040
with another

2152
01:26:11,430 --> 01:26:09,440
object however this time it happened to

2153
01:26:14,950 --> 01:26:11,440
be in the air

2154
01:26:18,709 --> 01:26:14,960
um maybe that's what

2155
01:26:21,189 --> 01:26:18,719
fravor saw was the end of

2156
01:26:22,390 --> 01:26:21,199
that tic tac beaming that giant whatever

2157
01:26:25,030 --> 01:26:22,400
it was under the water

2158
01:26:26,629 --> 01:26:25,040
to that location or perhaps performing

2159
01:26:29,830 --> 01:26:26,639
repairs

2160
01:26:32,229 --> 01:26:29,840
because i'm sure these things need to

2161
01:26:37,189 --> 01:26:32,239
upkeep as well

2162
01:26:40,070 --> 01:26:37,199
and so what dave altman is uh

2163
01:26:40,870 --> 01:26:40,080
asking this question xerox laser xerox

2164
01:26:43,910 --> 01:26:40,880
and lasers

2165
01:26:46,390 --> 01:26:43,920
they were in development of that sure

2166
01:26:46,950 --> 01:26:46,400
so xerox had their hand in everything um

2167
01:26:50,070 --> 01:26:46,960
laser

2168
01:26:53,350 --> 01:26:50,080
printer fuserole technology

2169
01:26:54,070 --> 01:26:53,360
so my dad has lots of patents on his

2170
01:26:57,110 --> 01:26:54,080
wall

2171
01:26:59,350 --> 01:26:57,120
uh one of the patents is for

2172
01:27:02,229 --> 01:26:59,360
a polymer which is a rubber that was

2173
01:27:05,750 --> 01:27:02,239
sprayed onto a fuserole which is a tube

2174
01:27:07,669 --> 01:27:05,760
in a copy machine that rubber when it

2175
01:27:08,470 --> 01:27:07,679
rubs on another fuser roll creates

2176
01:27:11,830 --> 01:27:08,480
static

2177
01:27:14,550 --> 01:27:11,840
the machine

2178
01:27:16,229 --> 01:27:14,560
simple well he took that technology and

2179
01:27:18,390 --> 01:27:16,239
he worked on it a little bit more

2180
01:27:20,470 --> 01:27:18,400
and he was able to come up with ideas

2181
01:27:24,070 --> 01:27:20,480
for things like

2182
01:27:26,070 --> 01:27:24,080
sprayable batteries a printable

2183
01:27:27,270 --> 01:27:26,080
battery you can print it on your

2184
01:27:29,830 --> 01:27:27,280
computer

2185
01:27:30,629 --> 01:27:29,840
and it can run a little diode or

2186
01:27:32,629 --> 01:27:30,639
something

2187
01:27:34,229 --> 01:27:32,639
the next level of technology would that

2188
01:27:37,350 --> 01:27:34,239
be you could print

2189
01:27:38,790 --> 01:27:37,360
a computer yeah

2190
01:27:40,629 --> 01:27:38,800
you can create these things and they

2191
01:27:41,030 --> 01:27:40,639
were doing this back in the 80s that was

2192
01:27:44,390 --> 01:27:41,040
all

2193
01:27:46,229 --> 01:27:44,400
patents on

2194
01:27:47,830 --> 01:27:46,239
technologies that expressed a lot of

2195
01:27:51,669 --> 01:27:47,840
these

2196
01:27:53,590 --> 01:27:51,679
wow so laser technology has been around

2197
01:27:56,629 --> 01:27:53,600
for a really long time

2198
01:27:58,470 --> 01:27:56,639
you know uh it's nothing new we got a

2199
01:28:01,750 --> 01:27:58,480
couple of calls we have uh

2200
01:28:05,270 --> 01:28:01,760
ronald ronald calls in uh

2201
01:28:07,270 --> 01:28:05,280
often ronald from minnesota uh welcome

2202
01:28:10,629 --> 01:28:07,280
to the show ronald

2203
01:28:13,669 --> 01:28:10,639
hey martin uh and uh tim

2204
01:28:15,110 --> 01:28:13,679
great great show tonight great guest and

2205
01:28:18,629 --> 01:28:15,120
happy new year to you guys

2206
01:28:21,110 --> 01:28:18,639
and happy new year to bill and uh

2207
01:28:22,550 --> 01:28:21,120
thank you for a great show beginning the

2208
01:28:26,629 --> 01:28:22,560
year

2209
01:28:29,110 --> 01:28:26,639
um the question i have for

2210
01:28:29,990 --> 01:28:29,120
tim and maybe everyone that has had an

2211
01:28:32,390 --> 01:28:30,000
experience

2212
01:28:34,229 --> 01:28:32,400
one how do you wrap your head around

2213
01:28:35,910 --> 01:28:34,239
what you just saw

2214
01:28:37,910 --> 01:28:35,920
and you can't just go out and tell

2215
01:28:39,590 --> 01:28:37,920
everybody obviously you think you're

2216
01:28:43,189 --> 01:28:39,600
crazy in the first place

2217
01:28:46,470 --> 01:28:43,199
when you see something but

2218
01:28:49,750 --> 01:28:46,480
uh how do you how do you really

2219
01:28:53,110 --> 01:28:49,760
logically and uh in a in a

2220
01:28:56,149 --> 01:28:53,120
brave and bold way go

2221
01:28:58,550 --> 01:28:56,159
and talk to somebody intelligent and say

2222
01:29:00,550 --> 01:28:58,560
hey look that's what i got

2223
01:29:01,830 --> 01:29:00,560
you know here here's what i got to tell

2224
01:29:05,270 --> 01:29:01,840
you

2225
01:29:08,470 --> 01:29:05,280
and then the other thing is

2226
01:29:11,430 --> 01:29:08,480
why don't everyone see

2227
01:29:11,910 --> 01:29:11,440
these crap well like for instance i live

2228
01:29:15,189 --> 01:29:11,920
in a

2229
01:29:18,149 --> 01:29:15,199
hotbed area of the midwest

2230
01:29:19,990 --> 01:29:18,159
one of them anyway and i haven't seen a

2231
01:29:24,070 --> 01:29:20,000
ufo

2232
01:29:27,590 --> 01:29:24,080
okay so i'll go and listen

2233
01:29:30,950 --> 01:29:27,600
on the air all right thank you

2234
01:29:32,629 --> 01:29:30,960
all right hey thanks ronald

2235
01:29:34,790 --> 01:29:32,639
would you like me to take that oh yeah

2236
01:29:37,910 --> 01:29:34,800
sure yeah yeah um

2237
01:29:38,470 --> 01:29:37,920
i i'm not surprised that you've never

2238
01:29:40,070 --> 01:29:38,480
seen

2239
01:29:41,510 --> 01:29:40,080
or been able to take a photograph of a

2240
01:29:45,030 --> 01:29:41,520
ufo

2241
01:29:46,070 --> 01:29:45,040
um it's not i mean i do think it's

2242
01:29:47,990 --> 01:29:46,080
happening all the time

2243
01:29:49,750 --> 01:29:48,000
do i think it's something visible not

2244
01:29:51,030 --> 01:29:49,760
necessarily

2245
01:29:52,629 --> 01:29:51,040
a lot of the stuff that i'm trying to

2246
01:29:55,510 --> 01:29:52,639
produce right now shows evidence of

2247
01:29:58,709 --> 01:29:55,520
things coming in and out of our

2248
01:30:01,030 --> 01:29:58,719
timeline that

2249
01:30:01,750 --> 01:30:01,040
we can't see we can see them coming and

2250
01:30:04,870 --> 01:30:01,760
going

2251
01:30:08,310 --> 01:30:04,880
i've seen the portals but i haven't seen

2252
01:30:10,310 --> 01:30:08,320
necessarily the object i got lucky

2253
01:30:12,550 --> 01:30:10,320
i definitely got lucky i saw something

2254
01:30:15,669 --> 01:30:12,560
strange i ran and grabbed the camera

2255
01:30:18,470 --> 01:30:15,679
having your camera close is so important

2256
01:30:20,149 --> 01:30:18,480
especially to and i know most of

2257
01:30:23,270 --> 01:30:20,159
martin's audience probably does

2258
01:30:25,189 --> 01:30:23,280
keep their camera close um looking for

2259
01:30:27,350 --> 01:30:25,199
evidence you're never gonna find it

2260
01:30:29,510 --> 01:30:27,360
never gonna find it you can't look for

2261
01:30:31,430 --> 01:30:29,520
it unless you know of a hot spot

2262
01:30:33,990 --> 01:30:31,440
and even knowing of a hot spot doesn't

2263
01:30:36,790 --> 01:30:34,000
guarantee you a picture

2264
01:30:38,149 --> 01:30:36,800
or an experience and that's the

2265
01:30:39,990 --> 01:30:38,159
frustration

2266
01:30:41,189 --> 01:30:40,000
can i just tell you that is the real

2267
01:30:45,350 --> 01:30:41,199
frustration

2268
01:30:47,830 --> 01:30:45,360
because um you do

2269
01:30:49,750 --> 01:30:47,840
kind of feel a little nuts sharing a

2270
01:30:52,229 --> 01:30:49,760
story like this or even thinking

2271
01:30:54,629 --> 01:30:52,239
that you're going and looking for a

2272
01:30:56,629 --> 01:30:54,639
photo or

2273
01:30:57,750 --> 01:30:56,639
i know every time i walk out of my house

2274
01:31:00,229 --> 01:30:57,760
now i look up

2275
01:31:02,629 --> 01:31:00,239
i look up i scan the skies constantly

2276
01:31:05,030 --> 01:31:02,639
yeah same here

2277
01:31:06,070 --> 01:31:05,040
yeah i i think that's really the only

2278
01:31:09,510 --> 01:31:06,080
thing you can do

2279
01:31:11,030 --> 01:31:09,520
i i feel for you i hope that you have an

2280
01:31:11,830 --> 01:31:11,040
experience but the fact that you're

2281
01:31:13,510 --> 01:31:11,840
calling

2282
01:31:16,709 --> 01:31:13,520
and you're one of martin's watchers

2283
01:31:19,030 --> 01:31:16,719
means that you already know and

2284
01:31:20,470 --> 01:31:19,040
knowing is the whole battle in my

2285
01:31:24,629 --> 01:31:20,480
personal opinion because that was

2286
01:31:27,910 --> 01:31:24,639
for me um i was able to kind of redirect

2287
01:31:29,830 --> 01:31:27,920
my mental focus

2288
01:31:31,510 --> 01:31:29,840
if you will in my career towards

2289
01:31:34,629 --> 01:31:31,520
something like this

2290
01:31:34,870 --> 01:31:34,639
i know it's an ongoing science and it's

2291
01:31:37,910 --> 01:31:34,880
an

2292
01:31:41,189 --> 01:31:37,920
ongoing subject

2293
01:31:43,189 --> 01:31:41,199
and so i'm in i know it's real

2294
01:31:45,030 --> 01:31:43,199
i believe martin's audience knows it's

2295
01:31:46,149 --> 01:31:45,040
real they've been shown enough

2296
01:31:48,550 --> 01:31:46,159
most of them probably have had

2297
01:31:51,830 --> 01:31:48,560
experience martin you had an experience

2298
01:31:54,629 --> 01:31:51,840
it only takes something believable

2299
01:31:55,830 --> 01:31:54,639
i think something that changes your

2300
01:31:59,189 --> 01:31:55,840
paradigm

2301
01:32:01,990 --> 01:31:59,199
to really open up your world

2302
01:32:05,189 --> 01:32:02,000
to it just being possible am i a 100

2303
01:32:05,199 --> 01:32:10,070
i can't dive in all the way because

2304
01:32:15,990 --> 01:32:13,669
science just tells me it's still in my

2305
01:32:18,149 --> 01:32:16,000
science it's not possible yet to get

2306
01:32:20,229 --> 01:32:18,159
here from there

2307
01:32:22,470 --> 01:32:20,239
i just saw a portal that would explain

2308
01:32:26,550 --> 01:32:22,480
it if they're using portals

2309
01:32:30,470 --> 01:32:26,560
wormholes done deal they win

2310
01:32:33,030 --> 01:32:30,480
that's a science that is a millennium

2311
01:32:34,149 --> 01:32:33,040
away from us where we are now uh

2312
01:32:37,990 --> 01:32:34,159
probably

2313
01:32:41,590 --> 01:32:38,000
yeah you know i i yeah

2314
01:32:44,070 --> 01:32:41,600
hey thank you ronald all right bye-bye

2315
01:32:44,709 --> 01:32:44,080
bye um one of the things i think is

2316
01:32:46,229 --> 01:32:44,719
interesting

2317
01:32:48,470 --> 01:32:46,239
you know what you mentioned if you had a

2318
01:32:50,229 --> 01:32:48,480
sighting i i think it's really

2319
01:32:53,189 --> 01:32:50,239
interesting when we have

2320
01:32:54,950 --> 01:32:53,199
people that are dead serious researchers

2321
01:32:55,910 --> 01:32:54,960
in this topic and they've never had a

2322
01:32:57,830 --> 01:32:55,920
sighting

2323
01:32:58,950 --> 01:32:57,840
they just think there's something to it

2324
01:33:01,110 --> 01:32:58,960
because of

2325
01:33:03,669 --> 01:33:01,120
what people have experienced and you

2326
01:33:05,750 --> 01:33:03,679
know look at stan friedman he had

2327
01:33:06,870 --> 01:33:05,760
you know a long career you know a

2328
01:33:10,870 --> 01:33:06,880
scientist

2329
01:33:11,910 --> 01:33:10,880
um and a nuclear nuclear physicist i

2330
01:33:14,709 --> 01:33:11,920
think he was

2331
01:33:17,189 --> 01:33:14,719
but um you know he he was in for the

2332
01:33:19,990 --> 01:33:17,199
long haul and he never had a sighting

2333
01:33:21,990 --> 01:33:20,000
yet he knew there was something to this

2334
01:33:23,990 --> 01:33:22,000
and then there's a few out there that i

2335
01:33:26,470 --> 01:33:24,000
know of uh you know one in particular

2336
01:33:28,870 --> 01:33:26,480
that invented a new

2337
01:33:30,310 --> 01:33:28,880
you know sighting as a as a child at

2338
01:33:32,310 --> 01:33:30,320
nine years old that

2339
01:33:33,750 --> 01:33:32,320
you know he was on my show and said he

2340
01:33:35,830 --> 01:33:33,760
never had a sighting and all of a sudden

2341
01:33:37,910 --> 01:33:35,840
now he has in his books and

2342
01:33:39,750 --> 01:33:37,920
he's on tv and everything talking about

2343
01:33:41,990 --> 01:33:39,760
a sighting that he had

2344
01:33:43,270 --> 01:33:42,000
that uh he admitted he never had a

2345
01:33:46,310 --> 01:33:43,280
sighting in his life

2346
01:33:48,629 --> 01:33:46,320
when he was on my show but now he has

2347
01:33:49,830 --> 01:33:48,639
right so uh there are there those are

2348
01:33:50,950 --> 01:33:49,840
the people you have to watch for

2349
01:33:53,430 --> 01:33:50,960
unfortunately

2350
01:33:54,229 --> 01:33:53,440
um we have another call we have bob and

2351
01:33:56,310 --> 01:33:54,239
bob is

2352
01:33:57,590 --> 01:33:56,320
also calling from the great state of

2353
01:34:00,070 --> 01:33:57,600
minnesota

2354
01:34:02,550 --> 01:34:00,080
other states can call by the way bob

2355
01:34:05,030 --> 01:34:02,560
welcome to the show bob

2356
01:34:06,229 --> 01:34:05,040
i guess we have the market on it uh yeah

2357
01:34:08,790 --> 01:34:06,239
but martin

2358
01:34:09,910 --> 01:34:08,800
martin fantastic show as always i can

2359
01:34:12,629 --> 01:34:09,920
serve myself

2360
01:34:14,070 --> 01:34:12,639
um i guess newer to the ufo field in

2361
01:34:17,030 --> 01:34:14,080
terms of following it

2362
01:34:18,470 --> 01:34:17,040
oh well in a dedicated way um but you're

2363
01:34:19,990 --> 01:34:18,480
one of the first podcasts i started

2364
01:34:23,430 --> 01:34:20,000
listening to and i will still say

2365
01:34:26,950 --> 01:34:25,990
thank you you just made my 2021 already

2366
01:34:29,590 --> 01:34:26,960
yeah

2367
01:34:30,870 --> 01:34:29,600
all right um but tim great great to hear

2368
01:34:33,110 --> 01:34:30,880
your story but you had

2369
01:34:34,790 --> 01:34:33,120
asked earlier martin about if there was

2370
01:34:36,229 --> 01:34:34,800
any other sightings and you guys have

2371
01:34:38,790 --> 01:34:36,239
been talking

2372
01:34:39,350 --> 01:34:38,800
about how some people see things and it

2373
01:34:42,950 --> 01:34:39,360
just

2374
01:34:44,070 --> 01:34:42,960
it doesn't do anything for them and

2375
01:34:46,070 --> 01:34:44,080
much like the other caller from

2376
01:34:48,950 --> 01:34:46,080
minnesota i'm an avid

2377
01:34:50,550 --> 01:34:48,960
out outdoorsman and very much into

2378
01:34:52,950 --> 01:34:50,560
astronomy and i've never seen

2379
01:34:54,950 --> 01:34:52,960
anything and keep wanting to but it was

2380
01:34:58,390 --> 01:34:54,960
my father who really kind of

2381
01:34:59,109 --> 01:34:58,400
i guess made me a believer in ufos

2382
01:35:02,229 --> 01:34:59,119
because

2383
01:35:04,709 --> 01:35:02,239
he he had two sightings but for him

2384
01:35:07,510 --> 01:35:04,719
they were they were nothing you know it

2385
01:35:08,709 --> 01:35:07,520
was as a child i was fascinated to hear

2386
01:35:11,189 --> 01:35:08,719
about them

2387
01:35:11,990 --> 01:35:11,199
but um it was not a big deal to him and

2388
01:35:13,350 --> 01:35:12,000
he was a

2389
01:35:15,750 --> 01:35:13,360
you know you hear this all the time he

2390
01:35:18,870 --> 01:35:15,760
was a very sober individual who

2391
01:35:21,030 --> 01:35:18,880
who you know to my mind never

2392
01:35:23,430 --> 01:35:21,040
never exaggerated never told stories but

2393
01:35:26,470 --> 01:35:23,440
these were just two stories that he

2394
01:35:27,350 --> 01:35:26,480
he'd always tell and um you know i

2395
01:35:28,870 --> 01:35:27,360
believed them

2396
01:35:30,790 --> 01:35:28,880
you know but to him they were just

2397
01:35:32,950 --> 01:35:30,800
nothing right

2398
01:35:34,229 --> 01:35:32,960
it's weird to me to think that some some

2399
01:35:37,669 --> 01:35:34,239
people you know

2400
01:35:40,629 --> 01:35:37,679
whereas if i saw something um i would be

2401
01:35:42,310 --> 01:35:40,639
telling everybody

2402
01:35:44,070 --> 01:35:42,320
and and wanting to get to the bottom of

2403
01:35:45,669 --> 01:35:44,080
it and for him he has no desire

2404
01:35:48,390 --> 01:35:45,679
to want to get to the bottom of what he

2405
01:35:51,830 --> 01:35:48,400
saw and can you give just a nutshell

2406
01:35:54,950 --> 01:35:51,840
of what uh what he did see sure my

2407
01:35:56,390 --> 01:35:54,960
dad was born in 1942 and so when he was

2408
01:35:59,270 --> 01:35:56,400
10 years old so it would have been

2409
01:36:01,910 --> 01:35:59,280
52 he was actually staying at our old

2410
01:36:04,149 --> 01:36:01,920
farm house we live in northern minnesota

2411
01:36:05,430 --> 01:36:04,159
and he was uh alone in the house

2412
01:36:09,189 --> 01:36:05,440
babysitting

2413
01:36:12,149 --> 01:36:09,199
um his younger brother when he he says

2414
01:36:13,270 --> 01:36:12,159
that he heard um it was getting dark it

2415
01:36:14,550 --> 01:36:13,280
was evening or

2416
01:36:16,550 --> 01:36:14,560
getting towards it was night it was

2417
01:36:17,189 --> 01:36:16,560
getting getting dark so like i was like

2418
01:36:19,669 --> 01:36:17,199
probably

2419
01:36:21,830 --> 01:36:19,679
you know um i think it was august it's

2420
01:36:24,390 --> 01:36:21,840
probably around nine o'clock

2421
01:36:25,830 --> 01:36:24,400
and and he said he heard this whirring

2422
01:36:27,910 --> 01:36:25,840
sound like uh like uh

2423
01:36:29,270 --> 01:36:27,920
what he said sounds like something

2424
01:36:32,310 --> 01:36:29,280
spinning like a woo woo

2425
01:36:35,350 --> 01:36:32,320
woo kind of sound and that he he ran

2426
01:36:37,830 --> 01:36:35,360
up the stairs and looked out the windows

2427
01:36:40,629 --> 01:36:37,840
and that the entire the trees and

2428
01:36:43,669 --> 01:36:40,639
everything was illuminated with a green

2429
01:36:46,790 --> 01:36:43,679
a green glow and in that

2430
01:36:48,790 --> 01:36:46,800
particular instance he never saw any

2431
01:36:49,590 --> 01:36:48,800
kind of an object or anything like that

2432
01:36:53,030 --> 01:36:49,600
it just

2433
01:36:55,030 --> 01:36:53,040
it kind of winked out and and he never

2434
01:36:56,070 --> 01:36:55,040
you know he didn't see anything but it

2435
01:36:59,030 --> 01:36:56,080
was that that

2436
01:37:00,550 --> 01:36:59,040
it was very peculiar to him um and then

2437
01:37:03,590 --> 01:37:00,560
the second one would have happened

2438
01:37:05,510 --> 01:37:03,600
uh somewhere in the uh late 70s

2439
01:37:06,790 --> 01:37:05,520
he worked at the mines around here and

2440
01:37:10,070 --> 01:37:06,800
he was coming

2441
01:37:11,669 --> 01:37:10,080
coming home at night off of shift work

2442
01:37:14,629 --> 01:37:11,679
and as he came up over the hill there's

2443
01:37:16,870 --> 01:37:14,639
a field by our house a farmer's field

2444
01:37:18,470 --> 01:37:16,880
and he said there was there was five

2445
01:37:21,750 --> 01:37:18,480
lights that were

2446
01:37:22,629 --> 01:37:21,760
just hovering in the field and they you

2447
01:37:26,229 --> 01:37:22,639
know they would wink

2448
01:37:28,629 --> 01:37:26,239
on and off so it's like there was

2449
01:37:29,350 --> 01:37:28,639
three on the bottom and two on the top

2450
01:37:32,229 --> 01:37:29,360
and they would

2451
01:37:33,189 --> 01:37:32,239
in succession the top would would

2452
01:37:36,310 --> 01:37:33,199
disappear

2453
01:37:38,629 --> 01:37:36,320
then they'd wink back on

2454
01:37:39,430 --> 01:37:38,639
and then they'd wink back off again and

2455
01:37:41,510 --> 01:37:39,440
um

2456
01:37:43,510 --> 01:37:41,520
like i said it's it's hard because you

2457
01:37:46,870 --> 01:37:43,520
hear a lot of debunkers and

2458
01:37:48,390 --> 01:37:46,880
and things uh talk about how you know

2459
01:37:50,470 --> 01:37:48,400
and i know ball lightning has been used

2460
01:37:52,870 --> 01:37:50,480
a lot and everything but

2461
01:37:55,030 --> 01:37:52,880
it's very like how my dad describes it

2462
01:37:57,030 --> 01:37:55,040
is like i was he was able to sit there

2463
01:37:58,070 --> 01:37:57,040
and you know i know the spot even today

2464
01:38:01,270 --> 01:37:58,080
it it's not

2465
01:38:02,310 --> 01:38:01,280
a far distance away um it was a calm

2466
01:38:03,910 --> 01:38:02,320
night and

2467
01:38:05,669 --> 01:38:03,920
he could just tell that they were like

2468
01:38:08,950 --> 01:38:05,679
these illuminated

2469
01:38:11,910 --> 01:38:08,960
suspended balls that are you know that

2470
01:38:13,750 --> 01:38:11,920
seemed to have no natural explanation

2471
01:38:14,310 --> 01:38:13,760
just you know linking on and off and

2472
01:38:17,910 --> 01:38:14,320
then

2473
01:38:21,030 --> 01:38:17,920
and he you know he just

2474
01:38:22,790 --> 01:38:21,040
turned in the driveway and came home and

2475
01:38:24,709 --> 01:38:22,800
and and that was that was the end of it

2476
01:38:27,189 --> 01:38:24,719
for him but he would talk about it and

2477
01:38:30,149 --> 01:38:27,199
of course i would i was a child of the

2478
01:38:31,669 --> 01:38:30,159
80s i was born in 1980 and so i was

2479
01:38:33,430 --> 01:38:31,679
you know grew up with close encounters

2480
01:38:34,229 --> 01:38:33,440
of the third kind and all of that kind

2481
01:38:36,470 --> 01:38:34,239
of stuff and

2482
01:38:38,070 --> 01:38:36,480
oh yeah check out every book on ufos

2483
01:38:40,070 --> 01:38:38,080
from the library and would

2484
01:38:41,109 --> 01:38:40,080
constantly pick his brain about what he

2485
01:38:44,310 --> 01:38:41,119
saw and

2486
01:38:44,870 --> 01:38:44,320
he would just tell the story and that

2487
01:38:46,870 --> 01:38:44,880
was it

2488
01:38:48,790 --> 01:38:46,880
it was he didn't care about anything

2489
01:38:50,149 --> 01:38:48,800
else never thought about aliens he just

2490
01:38:50,950 --> 01:38:50,159
like yeah well maybe they're up there

2491
01:38:54,470 --> 01:38:50,960
who knows

2492
01:38:57,270 --> 01:38:54,480
i don't know and just no interest in

2493
01:38:59,510 --> 01:38:57,280
further investigating what he saw it's

2494
01:39:01,830 --> 01:38:59,520
such an odd thing

2495
01:39:04,070 --> 01:39:01,840
for that that's not a natural response

2496
01:39:07,430 --> 01:39:04,080
for something unexplainable

2497
01:39:10,830 --> 01:39:07,440
especially for you know a kid who's just

2498
01:39:11,990 --> 01:39:10,840
watched close encounters he's like you

2499
01:39:15,189 --> 01:39:12,000
sir

2500
01:39:18,950 --> 01:39:17,350
yeah for sure do you know were there

2501
01:39:21,109 --> 01:39:18,960
earthquakes kind of out in the area

2502
01:39:24,310 --> 01:39:21,119
where this took place for him

2503
01:39:28,310 --> 01:39:27,030
no no uh no i i know that i've i've

2504
01:39:30,070 --> 01:39:28,320
listened to actually i think martin

2505
01:39:30,709 --> 01:39:30,080
you've got a guest on talk about is it

2506
01:39:33,750 --> 01:39:30,719
geo

2507
01:39:36,149 --> 01:39:33,760
lighting or something like that yeah

2508
01:39:36,870 --> 01:39:36,159
yeah uh it's yeah and there there isn't

2509
01:39:39,750 --> 01:39:36,880
geologic

2510
01:39:40,390 --> 01:39:39,760
you know a dead rift lake superior is a

2511
01:39:42,790 --> 01:39:40,400
dead

2512
01:39:44,149 --> 01:39:42,800
rift from i think millions of years ago

2513
01:39:46,790 --> 01:39:44,159
but as far as i know

2514
01:39:48,629 --> 01:39:46,800
no geologic activity um happening up

2515
01:39:51,990 --> 01:39:48,639
here at all

2516
01:39:54,470 --> 01:39:52,000
kind of a description of what that is um

2517
01:39:55,430 --> 01:39:54,480
but at the same rate they don't tend to

2518
01:39:58,950 --> 01:39:55,440
hover

2519
01:40:01,990 --> 01:39:58,960
they usually move around and dissipate

2520
01:40:05,430 --> 01:40:02,000
yeah interesting hey bob any any uh

2521
01:40:07,669 --> 01:40:05,440
any questions at all for the guests

2522
01:40:09,109 --> 01:40:07,679
other questions um no i'm just very

2523
01:40:10,470 --> 01:40:09,119
interested to kind of follow i know you

2524
01:40:12,790 --> 01:40:10,480
had said that you are looking

2525
01:40:14,229 --> 01:40:12,800
at making this possibly into a

2526
01:40:17,669 --> 01:40:14,239
documentary so i'm kind of

2527
01:40:19,350 --> 01:40:17,679
interested to see everybody's uh um

2528
01:40:20,950 --> 01:40:19,360
the interviews and what everybody else

2529
01:40:21,669 --> 01:40:20,960
has to say surrounding the incident

2530
01:40:23,430 --> 01:40:21,679
that's

2531
01:40:25,350 --> 01:40:23,440
i'm kind of fascinating to see what what

2532
01:40:27,590 --> 01:40:25,360
happens or what comes out of it

2533
01:40:29,189 --> 01:40:27,600
yeah well excellent thank you for the

2534
01:40:32,310 --> 01:40:29,199
call

2535
01:40:35,030 --> 01:40:32,320
thank you all right have a good one so

2536
01:40:35,590 --> 01:40:35,040
uh the line is open and again that's

2537
01:40:38,790 --> 01:40:35,600
eight five

2538
01:40:41,510 --> 01:40:38,800
five four seven two five four

2539
01:40:42,229 --> 01:40:41,520
eight three that's uh i said it kind of

2540
01:40:44,149 --> 01:40:42,239
clunky

2541
01:40:46,229 --> 01:40:44,159
eight five five four seven two five four

2542
01:40:47,590 --> 01:40:46,239
eight three the lines open and bill will

2543
01:40:49,590 --> 01:40:47,600
take your call

2544
01:40:51,189 --> 01:40:49,600
and i just wanted to add to if people

2545
01:40:54,470 --> 01:40:51,199
did want to

2546
01:40:55,189 --> 01:40:54,480
get a hold of me with a story for this

2547
01:40:58,070 --> 01:40:55,199
project

2548
01:40:59,750 --> 01:40:58,080
you can contact me if that's okay can i

2549
01:41:01,830 --> 01:40:59,760
release that martin

2550
01:41:02,790 --> 01:41:01,840
yeah sure i mean i can even if you want

2551
01:41:05,270 --> 01:41:02,800
i can even put your

2552
01:41:06,550 --> 01:41:05,280
email address right in the uh right in

2553
01:41:09,189 --> 01:41:06,560
the show notes and i'll pop

2554
01:41:10,310 --> 01:41:09,199
out uh pop-up as a you just have to

2555
01:41:13,189 --> 01:41:10,320
click on it and it'll

2556
01:41:15,189 --> 01:41:13,199
shoot an email to you perfect it's gonna

2557
01:41:18,390 --> 01:41:15,199
be ufo project

2558
01:41:19,750 --> 01:41:18,400
2021 at gmail.com

2559
01:41:21,510 --> 01:41:19,760
all right you'll have to remind me of

2560
01:41:24,870 --> 01:41:21,520
that so i get it in the i will

2561
01:41:26,550 --> 01:41:24,880
show notes yeah and go ahead

2562
01:41:28,790 --> 01:41:26,560
so you said you were approached by

2563
01:41:30,229 --> 01:41:28,800
someone to do this project

2564
01:41:32,629 --> 01:41:30,239
and it was just kind of like

2565
01:41:33,270 --> 01:41:32,639
synchronicity like you had deciding

2566
01:41:35,750 --> 01:41:33,280
yourself

2567
01:41:36,550 --> 01:41:35,760
and so i imagine that made you pretty

2568
01:41:39,669 --> 01:41:36,560
excited to

2569
01:41:41,430 --> 01:41:39,679
uh take it on absolutely it did um

2570
01:41:42,790 --> 01:41:41,440
it it definitely gave me a direction for

2571
01:41:43,750 --> 01:41:42,800
the project because it was a little bit

2572
01:41:45,669 --> 01:41:43,760
open-ended

2573
01:41:46,790 --> 01:41:45,679
and it allowed me to kind of delve into

2574
01:41:49,669 --> 01:41:46,800
a bit of research

2575
01:41:51,030 --> 01:41:49,679
and so the people that i was coming in

2576
01:41:53,669 --> 01:41:51,040
contact with

2577
01:41:54,310 --> 01:41:53,679
i kind of knew the right questions to

2578
01:41:57,430 --> 01:41:54,320
ask

2579
01:41:59,590 --> 01:41:57,440
if you will and in searching

2580
01:42:00,709 --> 01:41:59,600
out people to include on the project

2581
01:42:04,790 --> 01:42:00,719
i've come up with some

2582
01:42:08,229 --> 01:42:04,800
incredible incredible information

2583
01:42:12,830 --> 01:42:08,239
stuff that made me feel like i was not

2584
01:42:16,149 --> 01:42:12,840
alone with the kind of thing that i saw

2585
01:42:20,390 --> 01:42:16,159
um this stuff is going on

2586
01:42:22,629 --> 01:42:20,400
all the time um i have no doubt that

2587
01:42:25,189 --> 01:42:22,639
you know if we had the right kind of

2588
01:42:26,870 --> 01:42:25,199
technology to look up into the skies

2589
01:42:28,790 --> 01:42:26,880
we would be seeing a lot more i don't

2590
01:42:29,590 --> 01:42:28,800
think it's all going to be seen with

2591
01:42:31,669 --> 01:42:29,600
infrared

2592
01:42:33,270 --> 01:42:31,679
or into any of the spectrums we're

2593
01:42:36,629 --> 01:42:33,280
looking into

2594
01:42:39,750 --> 01:42:36,639
um because we don't have it

2595
01:42:42,790 --> 01:42:39,760
um right we would have it if we had that

2596
01:42:45,830 --> 01:42:42,800
technology we would have the evidence

2597
01:42:49,030 --> 01:42:45,840
there still needs to be lots more

2598
01:42:51,270 --> 01:42:49,040
science dedicated to this a lot more

2599
01:42:52,790 --> 01:42:51,280
research i'd like to see telescopes

2600
01:42:56,310 --> 01:42:52,800
using

2601
01:42:56,790 --> 01:42:56,320
wider bands and look into a little bit

2602
01:42:58,790 --> 01:42:56,800
more

2603
01:43:01,270 --> 01:42:58,800
of the spectrum that we do have control

2604
01:43:04,470 --> 01:43:01,280
over to be able to look at things that

2605
01:43:05,830 --> 01:43:04,480
are potentially flying over populated

2606
01:43:08,229 --> 01:43:05,840
parts of our country

2607
01:43:09,910 --> 01:43:08,239
and that was another aspect of why i

2608
01:43:10,709 --> 01:43:09,920
really felt like it was important for me

2609
01:43:14,229 --> 01:43:10,719
to get this

2610
01:43:15,510 --> 01:43:14,239
story of mine out um was because it was

2611
01:43:19,030 --> 01:43:15,520
over a populated

2612
01:43:22,629 --> 01:43:19,040
area yeah i i

2613
01:43:24,070 --> 01:43:22,639
initially like i explained did not want

2614
01:43:26,550 --> 01:43:24,080
to share this

2615
01:43:28,709 --> 01:43:26,560
and a reason that things dragged their

2616
01:43:29,030 --> 01:43:28,719
feet with mufon for so long was because

2617
01:43:41,510 --> 01:43:29,040
i

2618
01:43:44,709 --> 01:43:41,520
part of my

2619
01:43:46,149 --> 01:43:44,719
rules with mufon was that you can't send

2620
01:43:47,910 --> 01:43:46,159
this digitally either

2621
01:43:50,550 --> 01:43:47,920
until you've determined that it's not

2622
01:43:51,270 --> 01:43:50,560
something secret because i know how easy

2623
01:43:54,070 --> 01:43:51,280
it is

2624
01:43:54,790 --> 01:43:54,080
to hack i i've been hacked and it's

2625
01:43:57,030 --> 01:43:54,800
horrible

2626
01:43:58,470 --> 01:43:57,040
yeah i've been hacked too this website

2627
01:44:01,590 --> 01:43:58,480
my website was

2628
01:44:03,430 --> 01:44:01,600
hacked lost 1500 pages it's far too easy

2629
01:44:06,070 --> 01:44:03,440
to hack nowadays and so

2630
01:44:06,629 --> 01:44:06,080
if i the last thing i wanted to do was

2631
01:44:10,709 --> 01:44:06,639
see

2632
01:44:13,669 --> 01:44:10,719
my case photos sprawled out somewhere

2633
01:44:15,590 --> 01:44:13,679
being debunked or potentially just in

2634
01:44:16,950 --> 01:44:15,600
the wrong hands

2635
01:44:18,790 --> 01:44:16,960
at this point everything i'm making

2636
01:44:21,030 --> 01:44:18,800
public is public domain

2637
01:44:22,390 --> 01:44:21,040
i want the public to have this entire

2638
01:44:26,390 --> 01:44:22,400
case

2639
01:44:29,350 --> 01:44:26,400
i do feel like um there is no

2640
01:44:29,750 --> 01:44:29,360
doubt in my mind not ours there's no

2641
01:44:32,950 --> 01:44:29,760
doubt

2642
01:44:33,990 --> 01:44:32,960
in mufon's mind it's not ours there is

2643
01:44:37,030 --> 01:44:34,000
no doubt in

2644
01:44:39,109 --> 01:44:37,040
my family's mind that it is not ours

2645
01:44:40,229 --> 01:44:39,119
it was determined back when we saw it

2646
01:44:42,470 --> 01:44:40,239
this wasn't ours

2647
01:44:44,470 --> 01:44:42,480
you need to make a report tim and that's

2648
01:44:47,030 --> 01:44:44,480
what i did i wish i had

2649
01:44:47,750 --> 01:44:47,040
done it a little more publicly but i was

2650
01:44:50,950 --> 01:44:47,760
scared

2651
01:44:51,750 --> 01:44:50,960
like i said i i literally a grown man

2652
01:44:55,430 --> 01:44:51,760
scared

2653
01:44:57,990 --> 01:44:55,440
to put this information out because

2654
01:44:59,750 --> 01:44:58,000
i didn't want to potentially be

2655
01:45:02,310 --> 01:44:59,760
revealing secrets that i shouldn't be

2656
01:45:02,950 --> 01:45:02,320
and um you know i would love a few

2657
01:45:06,390 --> 01:45:02,960
minutes with

2658
01:45:07,189 --> 01:45:06,400
uh guys like louis alizando or anybody

2659
01:45:09,669 --> 01:45:07,199
in the know

2660
01:45:11,350 --> 01:45:09,679
just so that um i could share this with

2661
01:45:12,709 --> 01:45:11,360
somebody that would know what to do with

2662
01:45:13,669 --> 01:45:12,719
the data and that's who i was really

2663
01:45:16,709 --> 01:45:13,679
looking for

2664
01:45:19,189 --> 01:45:16,719
pass this off to

2665
01:45:19,990 --> 01:45:19,199
and honestly i'm not comfortable doing

2666
01:45:23,830 --> 01:45:20,000
interviews

2667
01:45:25,830 --> 01:45:23,840
this isn't something that i wanted to do

2668
01:45:27,030 --> 01:45:25,840
i you know i initially broke the story

2669
01:45:29,830 --> 01:45:27,040
with nick

2670
01:45:31,990 --> 01:45:29,840
through ufo chronicles podcast and

2671
01:45:33,750 --> 01:45:32,000
that's a soft release i figured that it

2672
01:45:36,790 --> 01:45:33,760
would get out there

2673
01:45:39,990 --> 01:45:36,800
you know and kind of just let

2674
01:45:40,870 --> 01:45:40,000
the public feed on that and then you saw

2675
01:45:43,270 --> 01:45:40,880
nick's show

2676
01:45:45,030 --> 01:45:43,280
and here i am i really wish by this

2677
01:45:48,470 --> 01:45:45,040
point mufon had just

2678
01:45:49,830 --> 01:45:48,480
taken it out of my hands um given it to

2679
01:45:52,550 --> 01:45:49,840
the right people and

2680
01:45:54,229 --> 01:45:52,560
have that just be worked on in whatever

2681
01:45:57,590 --> 01:45:54,239
capacity it could be

2682
01:45:59,830 --> 01:45:57,600
um i'm not really a spotlight guy i

2683
01:46:01,030 --> 01:45:59,840
i'm more of the kind of person that is

2684
01:46:04,950 --> 01:46:01,040
behind the camera

2685
01:46:06,950 --> 01:46:04,960
not in front of it yeah yeah well i i do

2686
01:46:08,629 --> 01:46:06,960
appreciate that you were willing to come

2687
01:46:12,149 --> 01:46:08,639
on and talk about it

2688
01:46:15,030 --> 01:46:12,159
um and luis alezondo now

2689
01:46:16,790 --> 01:46:15,040
is uh is more probably more approachable

2690
01:46:17,669 --> 01:46:16,800
than he's ever been because when he was

2691
01:46:20,870 --> 01:46:17,679
with

2692
01:46:22,870 --> 01:46:20,880
um ttsa when i was trying to

2693
01:46:23,990 --> 01:46:22,880
reach him things like that they would

2694
01:46:26,870 --> 01:46:24,000
always say the same thing

2695
01:46:28,310 --> 01:46:26,880
he's traveling um even during covet

2696
01:46:31,270 --> 01:46:28,320
they'd say he's traveling

2697
01:46:32,550 --> 01:46:31,280
and i was like okay yeah um seems like a

2698
01:46:34,870 --> 01:46:32,560
genuine

2699
01:46:36,709 --> 01:46:34,880
guy really looking in the right places

2700
01:46:40,310 --> 01:46:36,719
and applying the right techniques

2701
01:46:43,910 --> 01:46:40,320
well he's out of the ttsa himself

2702
01:46:46,709 --> 01:46:43,920
and uh steve uh

2703
01:46:47,350 --> 01:46:46,719
losing his last name steve justice and

2704
01:46:52,550 --> 01:46:47,360
uh

2705
01:46:55,669 --> 01:46:52,560
struck out on their own

2706
01:46:57,590 --> 01:46:55,679
to away from the ttsa and i

2707
01:47:00,629 --> 01:46:57,600
i mean that's what i'm learning i have

2708
01:47:03,669 --> 01:47:00,639
to do as well anyone that has a story

2709
01:47:04,149 --> 01:47:03,679
it's your story and i'm realizing now if

2710
01:47:11,510 --> 01:47:04,159
i

2711
01:47:14,790 --> 01:47:11,520
to you

2712
01:47:18,149 --> 01:47:14,800
because you've had some real minds

2713
01:47:21,430 --> 01:47:18,159
on your show and i love the fact that

2714
01:47:24,149 --> 01:47:21,440
your listeners don't just accept uh

2715
01:47:25,270 --> 01:47:24,159
anything any story they are they're

2716
01:47:28,310 --> 01:47:25,280
clear-minded

2717
01:47:31,669 --> 01:47:28,320
thinkers and um

2718
01:47:34,229 --> 01:47:31,679
you know it's an ever-changing realm

2719
01:47:35,350 --> 01:47:34,239
uh the ufo topic there's new information

2720
01:47:37,750 --> 01:47:35,360
all the time and

2721
01:47:38,629 --> 01:47:37,760
you're getting fed so much stuff

2722
01:47:41,750 --> 01:47:38,639
balloons

2723
01:47:44,629 --> 01:47:41,760
um airfoils all these things that

2724
01:47:45,510 --> 01:47:44,639
look so much like ufos oh it's getting

2725
01:47:48,950 --> 01:47:45,520
it's getting

2726
01:47:51,189 --> 01:47:48,960
crazy it's a big problem

2727
01:47:52,149 --> 01:47:51,199
everyone was looking for disclosure it

2728
01:47:54,470 --> 01:47:52,159
already happened

2729
01:47:55,669 --> 01:47:54,480
you just didn't realize it when you're

2730
01:47:57,510 --> 01:47:55,679
not the only one

2731
01:47:59,189 --> 01:47:57,520
you're that's not connected to space

2732
01:48:01,350 --> 01:47:59,199
course i mean

2733
01:48:02,629 --> 01:48:01,360
if you don't know what that means then

2734
01:48:03,430 --> 01:48:02,639
you don't know what disclosure is going

2735
01:48:07,590 --> 01:48:03,440
to look like

2736
01:48:11,109 --> 01:48:07,600
it's happened so let's just move on

2737
01:48:13,669 --> 01:48:11,119
you know is kind of how i feel

2738
01:48:15,030 --> 01:48:13,679
the public is not going to be shocked by

2739
01:48:18,229 --> 01:48:15,040
uaps flying

2740
01:48:20,390 --> 01:48:18,239
over they just want to know why

2741
01:48:21,910 --> 01:48:20,400
what's the intention they're obviously

2742
01:48:24,550 --> 01:48:21,920
not

2743
01:48:25,430 --> 01:48:24,560
interrupting anything yeah we haven't

2744
01:48:28,470 --> 01:48:25,440
had any

2745
01:48:29,830 --> 01:48:28,480
airline collisions with this other than

2746
01:48:32,709 --> 01:48:29,840
what history has shown

2747
01:48:34,070 --> 01:48:32,719
as unexplainable potential collisions

2748
01:48:35,990 --> 01:48:34,080
but i'm saying

2749
01:48:38,149 --> 01:48:36,000
recently we don't know of anything that

2750
01:48:41,750 --> 01:48:38,159
it's actually affecting

2751
01:48:43,910 --> 01:48:41,760
so yeah yeah those are the questions

2752
01:48:45,510 --> 01:48:43,920
uh what are they where are they from and

2753
01:48:48,790 --> 01:48:45,520
what do they want

2754
01:48:51,990 --> 01:48:48,800
those are the three big questions right

2755
01:48:54,310 --> 01:48:52,000
right now and we uh try to

2756
01:48:55,270 --> 01:48:54,320
discuss all that but uh and on this show

2757
01:48:59,510 --> 01:48:55,280
but we

2758
01:49:02,870 --> 01:48:59,520
i mean who knows if we'll will ever know

2759
01:49:06,870 --> 01:49:02,880
um i i have an open mind but uh

2760
01:49:08,950 --> 01:49:06,880
i have no idea if uh if they are from

2761
01:49:10,149 --> 01:49:08,960
here or another dimension or another

2762
01:49:12,870 --> 01:49:10,159
time or

2763
01:49:13,750 --> 01:49:12,880
another planet it's just uh it's we need

2764
01:49:15,350 --> 01:49:13,760
more data

2765
01:49:17,030 --> 01:49:15,360
we need more evidence we need more

2766
01:49:18,229 --> 01:49:17,040
people with cameras pointing them to the

2767
01:49:21,350 --> 01:49:18,239
skies

2768
01:49:22,870 --> 01:49:21,360
we need more satellites working towards

2769
01:49:25,109 --> 01:49:22,880
this sort of thing

2770
01:49:28,229 --> 01:49:25,119
the funds aren't dedicated no one's

2771
01:49:29,990 --> 01:49:28,239
dedicating funds to this science um with

2772
01:49:33,430 --> 01:49:30,000
the exception of guys like bigelow

2773
01:49:35,030 --> 01:49:33,440
obviously and um you know

2774
01:49:36,470 --> 01:49:35,040
there's other people out there but it's

2775
01:49:39,030 --> 01:49:36,480
just it's not they

2776
01:49:41,189 --> 01:49:39,040
you saw what happened with ttsa that was

2777
01:49:44,310 --> 01:49:41,199
those were people that were like

2778
01:49:47,350 --> 01:49:44,320
marketing ufos let's say

2779
01:49:48,870 --> 01:49:47,360
um but for i think the right cause

2780
01:49:49,750 --> 01:49:48,880
because they were trying to put it out

2781
01:49:53,830 --> 01:49:49,760
in the public eye

2782
01:49:56,790 --> 01:49:53,840
like why not put a chester cheetah

2783
01:49:58,149 --> 01:49:56,800
on ufos if it gets it accepted a little

2784
01:50:00,070 --> 01:49:58,159
bit more

2785
01:50:02,470 --> 01:50:00,080
do you know it was yeah it was a little

2786
01:50:06,229 --> 01:50:02,480
bit it was a little bit um

2787
01:50:07,430 --> 01:50:06,239
a little bit tough to they they were not

2788
01:50:11,189 --> 01:50:07,440
very approachable

2789
01:50:13,589 --> 01:50:11,199
ttsa they they um i know tom delong

2790
01:50:15,669 --> 01:50:13,599
um of course he wouldn't be approachable

2791
01:50:18,390 --> 01:50:15,679
anyway because he's a celebrity

2792
01:50:19,830 --> 01:50:18,400
but still um the rest of the group it

2793
01:50:22,950 --> 01:50:19,840
was really hard

2794
01:50:23,990 --> 01:50:22,960
to and it's kind of like in a way it was

2795
01:50:26,629 --> 01:50:24,000
good because

2796
01:50:27,990 --> 01:50:26,639
they had to keep apart from the ufo

2797
01:50:30,310 --> 01:50:28,000
community as well

2798
01:50:31,430 --> 01:50:30,320
because of the fringe element of the ufo

2799
01:50:33,109 --> 01:50:31,440
community that

2800
01:50:35,350 --> 01:50:33,119
there is that fringe element that they

2801
01:50:36,950 --> 01:50:35,360
didn't want to be associated with

2802
01:50:39,270 --> 01:50:36,960
so people would take them more seriously

2803
01:50:42,229 --> 01:50:39,280
and i do get that i do understand

2804
01:50:44,950 --> 01:50:42,239
that aspect of it but it would be if

2805
01:50:46,629 --> 01:50:44,960
there was more transparency in general

2806
01:50:48,070 --> 01:50:46,639
with them it would have been better for

2807
01:50:50,070 --> 01:50:48,080
everyone i think

2808
01:50:52,390 --> 01:50:50,080
yeah it felt like their hand was out but

2809
01:50:53,990 --> 01:50:52,400
nothing get nothing back

2810
01:50:55,430 --> 01:50:54,000
because i visited and considered

2811
01:50:57,030 --> 01:50:55,440
contributing

2812
01:50:59,109 --> 01:50:57,040
to their website you would have lost all

2813
01:51:01,030 --> 01:50:59,119
your money

2814
01:51:02,470 --> 01:51:01,040
relevant i don't i don't donate with the

2815
01:51:05,990 --> 01:51:02,480
expectation of return

2816
01:51:07,669 --> 01:51:06,000
however i do like information and you

2817
01:51:10,950 --> 01:51:07,679
know i know for a fact that

2818
01:51:13,189 --> 01:51:10,960
they had access to meta materials

2819
01:51:14,709 --> 01:51:13,199
well let's get some let's hear what

2820
01:51:16,709 --> 01:51:14,719
what's the real result

2821
01:51:17,750 --> 01:51:16,719
if it's nothing i'm fine with that if

2822
01:51:19,430 --> 01:51:17,760
it's something let's

2823
01:51:22,229 --> 01:51:19,440
talk more about it i know there was some

2824
01:51:27,109 --> 01:51:22,239
info but it's still very

2825
01:51:29,270 --> 01:51:27,119
very minor very nothing very detailed

2826
01:51:30,550 --> 01:51:29,280
yeah and i'm not sure about that all

2827
01:51:33,589 --> 01:51:30,560
that stuff

2828
01:51:34,390 --> 01:51:33,599
either right um who is doing the science

2829
01:51:37,750 --> 01:51:34,400
on that

2830
01:51:40,470 --> 01:51:37,760
um uh on those meta materials

2831
01:51:42,149 --> 01:51:40,480
where are they actually from and what

2832
01:51:45,109 --> 01:51:42,159
does it mean

2833
01:51:47,270 --> 01:51:45,119
um with what they find out does that

2834
01:51:47,669 --> 01:51:47,280
mean that it's no way can be reproduced

2835
01:51:51,830 --> 01:51:47,679
on

2836
01:51:54,950 --> 01:51:51,840
could be produced

2837
01:51:56,149 --> 01:51:54,960
you know here or naturally or whatever

2838
01:51:58,390 --> 01:51:56,159
you know there's there's a lot of

2839
01:52:00,070 --> 01:51:58,400
questions there that um but i think the

2840
01:52:03,350 --> 01:52:00,080
most important part is who

2841
01:52:05,750 --> 01:52:03,360
who it is that's actually taking a look

2842
01:52:07,430 --> 01:52:05,760
well martin um do you have any questions

2843
01:52:11,109 --> 01:52:07,440
on my sighting because

2844
01:52:13,910 --> 01:52:11,119
really that is the big takeaway from

2845
01:52:15,990 --> 01:52:13,920
me being here today was this exciting

2846
01:52:18,709 --> 01:52:16,000
and i want your audience to know i

2847
01:52:19,990 --> 01:52:18,719
am completely open i will answer any

2848
01:52:22,870 --> 01:52:20,000
questions you have

2849
01:52:23,350 --> 01:52:22,880
yeah no i think um i think you've you've

2850
01:52:25,109 --> 01:52:23,360
done

2851
01:52:27,109 --> 01:52:25,119
uh pretty well answering my questions

2852
01:52:29,910 --> 01:52:27,119
you know one of the things um

2853
01:52:30,390 --> 01:52:29,920
i can tell is that it means a lot to you

2854
01:52:32,149 --> 01:52:30,400
yeah

2855
01:52:33,750 --> 01:52:32,159
and it really there was a lot to it that

2856
01:52:37,990 --> 01:52:33,760
i'm not quite

2857
01:52:40,229 --> 01:52:38,000
covering the way it happened because

2858
01:52:41,830 --> 01:52:40,239
there was a lot of information being

2859
01:52:45,350 --> 01:52:41,840
internalized

2860
01:52:47,750 --> 01:52:45,360
at that time um and what and

2861
01:52:49,189 --> 01:52:47,760
i guess one of the questions i do have

2862
01:52:50,470 --> 01:52:49,199
is um

2863
01:52:52,709 --> 01:52:50,480
and we only have a couple of minutes

2864
01:52:54,790 --> 01:52:52,719
here and that is uh

2865
01:52:56,310 --> 01:52:54,800
you know i take a look at you know you

2866
01:52:58,950 --> 01:52:56,320
because i can picture my brother-in-law

2867
01:53:00,390 --> 01:52:58,960
who's very logical and he's got his phd

2868
01:53:03,669 --> 01:53:00,400
in chemistry he worked at los

2869
01:53:05,669 --> 01:53:03,679
alamos labs all that stuff um i can

2870
01:53:06,550 --> 01:53:05,679
picture him seeing this and how he would

2871
01:53:08,310 --> 01:53:06,560
react

2872
01:53:10,390 --> 01:53:08,320
because he would be very logical and

2873
01:53:12,709 --> 01:53:10,400
very well you know this that

2874
01:53:14,470 --> 01:53:12,719
so i guess i'm really interested and we

2875
01:53:16,629 --> 01:53:14,480
just have like a minute here

2876
01:53:18,070 --> 01:53:16,639
less than a minute actually now but i

2877
01:53:21,189 --> 01:53:18,080
think you're

2878
01:53:24,070 --> 01:53:21,199
how your father reacted kind of is is

2879
01:53:27,030 --> 01:53:24,080
curious yeah and that that was my big

2880
01:53:30,310 --> 01:53:27,040
takeaway too is when he was convinced

2881
01:53:34,790 --> 01:53:30,320
that's when i became convinced because

2882
01:53:38,149 --> 01:53:34,800
he had no explanation for what he'd seen

2883
01:53:40,070 --> 01:53:38,159
um he definitely thought it was

2884
01:53:41,189 --> 01:53:40,080
something secret

2885
01:53:43,109 --> 01:53:41,199
yeah he thought it was something

2886
01:53:44,550 --> 01:53:43,119
advanced and he thought i should keep it

2887
01:53:47,750 --> 01:53:44,560
close to my chest in fact

2888
01:53:48,870 --> 01:53:47,760
even destroy the photos wow interesting

2889
01:53:53,350 --> 01:53:48,880
um

2890
01:53:54,870 --> 01:53:53,360
it i was like why don't i report it and

2891
01:53:56,709 --> 01:53:54,880
we were like yes let's just report it

2892
01:53:59,270 --> 01:53:56,719
and if it comes back

2893
01:54:00,629 --> 01:53:59,280
as military then we'll take care of

2894
01:54:02,310 --> 01:54:00,639
getting rid of all of this

2895
01:54:04,229 --> 01:54:02,320
evidence that you accidentally

2896
01:54:06,229 --> 01:54:04,239
photographed wow

2897
01:54:07,270 --> 01:54:06,239
all right well we are out of time so

2898
01:54:09,350 --> 01:54:07,280
thank you so much

2899
01:54:10,950 --> 01:54:09,360
my pleasure and if at any point you'd

2900
01:54:12,470 --> 01:54:10,960
like to have me back at a point where i

2901
01:54:13,589 --> 01:54:12,480
can include my family members and

2902
01:54:16,310 --> 01:54:13,599
they're willing to come on

2903
01:54:18,070 --> 01:54:16,320
i would love that and that will probably

2904
01:54:19,990 --> 01:54:18,080
be potentially possible

2905
01:54:21,910 --> 01:54:20,000
all right all right you take care thank

2906
01:54:22,310 --> 01:54:21,920
you very much for having me have a great

2907
01:54:25,430 --> 01:54:22,320
time

2908
01:54:26,149 --> 01:54:25,440
thanks a lot okay bye all right everyone

2909
01:54:28,790 --> 01:54:26,159
so that

2910
01:54:30,709 --> 01:54:28,800
is it for the show and uh let me try to

2911
01:54:31,189 --> 01:54:30,719
pronounce our guest next week one more

2912
01:54:34,229 --> 01:54:31,199
time

2913
01:54:36,470 --> 01:54:34,239
it's nabosa borkovich

2914
01:54:38,470 --> 01:54:36,480
and he had an encounter on a sailboat

2915
01:54:39,270 --> 01:54:38,480
that is just really amazing he'll be on

2916
01:54:41,990 --> 01:54:39,280
next week

2917
01:54:43,589 --> 01:54:42,000
and thanks so much everyone and uh we

2918
01:54:46,110 --> 01:54:43,599
will see you next week

2919
01:54:48,830 --> 01:54:46,120
and remember to keep your eyes to the

2920
01:54:50,100 --> 01:54:48,840
[Music]

2921
01:55:04,680 --> 01:54:50,110
sky